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Re:It's not a labor shortage – it's a wage and workers right... by Ericson2314 on Sunday September 05, 2021 @03:05PM (#28426823)
You don't have to pay for UBI. You can just print more money. There are many things in between. Getting rid of reserve requirements and zero interest rates loans vs UBI can be viewed as points in a larger continuous space.

We know there are aggregate demand issues, and we now know that simply issuing more credit "the normal way" seems to cause asset bubbles before boosting demand for labor, so we should be open to trying other things even if we don't know exactly what will happen.

Or read Kaleki in 1943 https://delong.typepad.com/kalecki43.pdf, who predicted all of this (UBI resistance, direct gov investment resistance, The keynesian collapse in the 1970s, trying to boost employment by boosting private investment alone not working....). Incredible and saddening.

Re:It's not a labor shortage – it's a wage and workers right... by imtringued on Monday September 06, 2021 @04:05AM (#28431528)
"It is true that profits would be higher under a regime of full employment than they are on the average under laissez-faire; and even the rise in wage rates resulting from the stronger bargaining power of the workers is less likely to reduce profits than to increase prices, and thus adversely affects only the rentier interests. But 'discipline in the factories' and 'political stability' are more appreciated than profits by business leaders."

That is is just plain corruption. Leaders (whether in governments or businesses) would rather have power for themselves than well-being for the country. Honestly, I had a hunch that developed nations didn't have less corruption, rather, the impact of corruption has been softened. Each individual industry leader might be corrupt but given enough competing industries their power diminishes. This is why government corruption is primarily associated with oil countries (or other resources) because controlling that single industry is the same as controlling the entire country.

You can clearly see it in Germany as well. Merkel and her party have close connections with specific industries commonly associated with Germany, the most prominent examples are car manufacturing because it is an export industry and the coal industry because Germany is resource poor (coal is all we have). If you work at VW CDU is the party you vote for...

Re:It's not a labor shortage – it's a wage and workers right... by Ericson2314 on Monday September 06, 2021 @09:38AM (#28433508)
It's selfish, but the funny thing is it probably isn't corruption by western definitions!

If you own a business and extract as much profits as possible --- not corruption. If you own a business and install your kid as middle manager to extract more money to your family -- corruption!

There's a quip that corruption is a term to penalize regions with larger extended families and kinship groups --- because the most galling corruption to the west is helping that 3rd cousin or clan member or whatever. But that is a real cop-out when in the west few know their 3rd cousin or are in a clan --- easy avoid nepotism when you don't know of the person!