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Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by nine_k on Friday September 03, 2021 @07:45PM (#28410691)
Where would you draw the border between "merely alive" and "intelligent"?

All multicellular living things seem to do some information processing. We would not agree to call a fungus intelligent, but would agree to call a human intelligent.

OK, from human we can descend to an ape, a dog, a crow, a sparrow, a crocodile, a goldfish, a flatworm, a jellyfish. Jellyfish don't have a dedicated nervous system and probably can't be called "intelligent". But can you determine where in the sequence there is a cliff, an abrupt enough change that delimits "intelligence"? I have trouble doing that in a meaningful, non-arbitrary way.

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by colechristensen on Friday September 03, 2021 @07:56PM (#28410763)
I think intelligence starts when the internal system controlling behavior develops a model of the outside environment and operates on it to drive decisions. That is, behavior is not through a simple physical mechanism or evolutionarily refined control system, but by means of general purpose model making.

Intelligence has degrees that begins with any abstraction and ends with arbitrary conscious theorizing and decision making (and a metric of how effective this ability is).

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by TFYS on Saturday September 04, 2021 @03:33AM (#28412927)
> I think intelligence starts when the internal system controlling behavior develops a model of the outside environment and operates on it to drive decisions.

But isn't that what one of the studied fungi did? To make a decision to grow into the direction where it found food the last time instead of every direction like it did before, it needs to have some sort of model of its environment in its memory, and needs to be able to make decisions based on that model.

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by pvaldes on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:51AM (#28415080)
> To make a decision to grow into the direction where it found food the last time instead of every direction like it did before

chemoreception

> They are so smart that they find the shortest paths between nodes arranged as Japanese cities

survivor bias

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by acituan on Friday September 03, 2021 @09:15PM (#28411224)
> All multicellular living things seem to do some information processing.

Even unicellular ones has to do it, that is what a complex adaptive system that wants to sustain its life-state has to do. But none of this is symbolic processing the way humans are capable of. Reducing intelligence to mere adaptivity simply makes it a useless term.

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by nine_k on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:45AM (#28412153)
Good! How can we find out if an organism is capable of symbolic processing?
Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by DonHopkins on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:28AM (#28413520)