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Re:Ruby Is Still a Diamond by chipotle_coyote on Thursday September 02, 2021 @12:10PM (#28393838)
Not so long ago, before the rise of Node.js and when it seemed like Rails was The Way of the Future (tm) and everyone was really down on PHP, I used to joke that there was a silver lining to PHP becoming the next COBOL: there weren't many COBOL jobs around, but there also weren't many COBOL programmers around, and if you needed a COBOL programmer the chances were that you really needed a COBOL programmer.

As things have played out, PHP has done pretty well at modernizing (I know some would debate that, but that's a different thread), and Rails has faded a bit into the background -- although now I joke that because Rails is well out of its fad phase, it can get down to the real work.

I do wonder whether Rails has been kind of a mixed blessing for Ruby all in all, though. I think Ruby is, in itself, a great alternative to Python or Perl, and it's the language I reach for first when I'm writing short utility scripts -- but since Rails exploded in popularity before Ruby itself did, a lot of Ruby programmers really only know Ruby to the degree they know Rails.

Re:Ruby Is Still a Diamond by dragonwriter on Thursday September 02, 2021 @12:14PM (#28393889)
> a lot of Ruby programmers really only know Ruby to the degree they know Rails

This so bad that frequently I see “Ruby on Rails” in lists of programming languages aside “PHP”, or “Elixir”, or “JavaScript”.

(When I was most in to Ruby – but not so much Rails, even then – there was actually a palpable divide in the community between the Rails-only community and the broader Ruby community, some of which was Rails-inclusive.)

Re:Ruby Is Still a Diamond by MattGaiser on Thursday September 02, 2021 @12:20PM (#28393957)
Granted, I have never used it a lot except for hacky projects, but I have never used any Ruby except in the context of Rails. Is it really used for anything else?
Re:Ruby Is Still a Diamond by JohnWhigham on Thursday September 02, 2021 @12:38PM (#28394203)
Yeah Rails is definitely a blessing and a curse. I only know of Chef and Puppet being kinda big, but both of those are waning in popularity.