Re:Society Will Never Be Free of Covid-19–It’s Time to Embra...
by hncurious on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @07:17PM
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I agree "never" is too gloom and doom, but otherwise it's a realistic point of view. Covid is endemic and we should start treating it as such.
Acting as though we're going to eradicate it any day now is nonsensical. We'd need a global solution, a solution to animal reservoirs and a vaccine that isn't leaky. If and when we have a solution, then we should implement it. In the meantime, let's face it: It's endemic and it's time to go back to normal. Everyone, in the US at least, can get the vaccine if they want to reduce their risk.
Re:Society Will Never Be Free of Covid-19–It’s Time to Embra...
by AndrewBissell on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @06:12PM
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Were there animal and insect reservoirs for smallpox? How quickly did it mutate relative to SARS-CoV-2? Were the vaccines developed for it sterilizing vaccines, or did they allow vaccinated people to continue getting infected in large numbers?
Re:Society Will Never Be Free of Covid-19–It’s Time to Embra...
by mikem170 on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @09:40PM
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No, there were not animal reserves for smallpox. And that makes a huge difference. There are a lot of mammals that can host coronaviruses. We'd have to eliminate it from those animals, also. Things like bats, civits, minks, etc. This is not likely to happen, given the difficulty of inoculating animals.
Re:Society Will Never Be Free of Covid-19–It’s Time to Embra...
by xyzzy21 on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @09:41PM
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Smallpox ONLY infected humans. COVID and other coronaviruses infecting dozens of animals.
And genetically they are as different as a worm is to a human.
Re:Society Will Never Be Free of Covid-19–It’s Time to Embra...
by raxxorrax on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @03:29AM
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What you say isn't factual. the article compares smallpox with covid, which is a mistake. But the virus is endemic and will be. There is no chance of herd immunity. Not with the flu, not with the cold and not with this. That is the current reality. Perhaps we will some day have the means, but until then, we have to let people live again.
Re:Society Will Never Be Free of Covid-19–It’s Time to Embra...
by xyzzy21 on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @09:39PM
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If you know ANYTHING about coronaviruses, you know COVID will never be eradicated. There has NEVER been an effective vaccine against any coronavirus.
And the current vaccines have NOT CHANGED THAT FACT.
The nature of coronavirus pretty much assures no vaccine can ever be possibel due to how they mutate.
Being Pollyanna about technology and vaccines will NEVER change biology and reality as we understand it in STEM!
> The only human virus ever to be eradicated was smallpox, and that took 200 years
Bullshit; it would not take 200 years with our current level of technology and understanding.
Smallpox was declared by the WHO to be eradicated in 1980. The last naturally occurring case was in 1977.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine
"The smallpox vaccine was the first vaccine to be developed against a contagious disease. In 1796, the British doctor Edward Jenner demonstrated that an infection with the relatively mild cowpox virus conferred immunity against the deadly smallpox virus. Cowpox served as a natural vaccine until the modern smallpox vaccine emerged in the 20th century. From 1958 to 1977, the World Health Organization conducted a global vaccination campaign that eradicated smallpox, making it the only human disease to be eradicated."
Really, if we honestly look at it, the actual eradication of smallpox took only 20 years. The 1796-195x years were just hobbling along with poor vaccines and half-assed effort.
Also, most of the focused effort was only the last 10 years of that.
"Smallpox was eradicated by a massive international search for outbreaks, backed up with a vaccination program, starting in 1967. It was organised and co-ordinated by a World Health Organization (WHO) unit, set up and headed by Donald Henderson. The last case in the Americas occurred in 1971 (Brazil), south-east Asia (Indonesia) in 1972, and on the Indian subcontinent in 1975 (Bangladesh). After two years of intensive searches, what proved to be the last endemic case anywhere in the world occurred in Somalia, in October 1977."
So, there is support in taking the viewpoint that when the effort was properly stepped up, it was licked in ten years.