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Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by karmakaze on Monday August 30, 2021 @04:53PM (#28360738)
> Actually, there is a reason why I am writing this on a dual-core machine in a Windows 98 SE window... ;-)

Nice. Win 98 SE isn't all that old (roughly the same Win32 API that evolved into Windows 10) but it does still evoke that retrocomputing vibe.

Has me wondering if there's another system that I could still use along similar lines. Needing internet and a web browser certainly narrows down the list fast. I don't know that the Commander X-16 could do it, though not an actual retro OS. Or perhaps Mac System 7.

Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by guessbest on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:03PM (#28360848)
Windows 98 SE was not only quite fast but also very stable. I preferred it greatly to Windows 2k. There were unfortunately nothing to be gained in Windows ME so that's why some people were still running it in 2007 such as at the link. Speed wise Windows 2k and Linux were comparable in speed and stability in 2003 on the 90's pentium machines, but Windows 98 SE was blazing fast.
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by retrac on Monday August 30, 2021 @09:23PM (#28362964)
I suppose it depended what you were doing. You couldn't beat Windows 98 for how light it was on RAM. Probably the fastest for DirectX games and so on vs. the competition. Fastest to boot and open up a word processor.

But I have the distinct recollection of it being excruciating for multitasking. Towards the end of Windows 98's life you might ask it to run a video player, a game, a chat client, a browser and a word processor all at once. Stability disappeared. So did responsiveness. Windows 2000 (or Linux) handled heavy load much better.

Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by Teknoman117 on Monday August 30, 2021 @10:13PM (#28363236)
I ended up choosing Win 98 SE for my "retro" gaming computer. I use it to go back and play the games from my childhood that broke on NT based Windows releases.

When it came up was probably the first time in a decade or more that I'd heard the click/buzz of a floppy drive in person.

Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by karmakaze on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:07PM (#28360882)
Yep Win98 SE was a local maxima for performance/stability. For the WinNT line, I used 3.51 for as long as I could, before giving in to Win2k and later for laptop support.
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by nonesuchluck on Monday August 30, 2021 @10:16PM (#28363250)
Wait, can you expand on that? Was NT4 less stable? I know you already had the 32bit app compatibility, but I don't think I've ever met anyone who preferred the Win3 UI to Win95.
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by karmakaze on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @12:07PM (#28369747)
I had no problems with the Win3 UI and was never into using themes, choosing background/window trim colour was fine. The Win2k one looked newer. The only real benefit was that there were some new admin views. I mean look at modern file/web browsers, they don't have much in the way of raised/sunken UI elements.

I was a developer so cared more about performance and stability. How my code editor windows looked didn't matter. Memory being taken up by a fatter UI implementation that slows things down counts against it.

Edit: and yes, win2k/NT4 was less stable. They moved the graphics subsystem into kernel space where as NT up to 3.5.1 had graphics as a separate service. And you can imagine that a lot of the bugs/edge cases in Windows is in the GUI and drivers.

Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by gattilorenz on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @02:42AM (#28364666)
On NT 3.51 you can install the NewShell update and the UI becomes more like Win95
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by smackeyacky on Monday August 30, 2021 @11:24PM (#28363629)
Mac System 7 is probably no good - the modern web is largely unintelligable to the contemporary browsers. I had a Mac Plus for a while hooked up to a Gatorbox that had internet access, and the version of Netscape(?) on there couldn't even load the Google home page.

The Amiga guys are pretty fanatical, might be worth investigating that. Old Sun workstations are too feeble to run a modern web browser. Never had an SGI (always wanted one) but again has a devoted fan base.

I think if you need modern but want retro, configure a Linux with the Motif Window Manager and enjoy that CDE, post Unix wars goodness while still being able to run a bit of modern stuff.

Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by karmakaze on Thursday September 02, 2021 @11:31AM (#28393313)
I prefer the aesthetics of Sun Open Look or NeXTSTEP which doesn't get carried away with as many levels of visual depth. WindowMaker is a pretty good NeXT desktop experience.
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by retrac on Monday August 30, 2021 @09:21PM (#28362952)
Your best bet may be a Unix workstation. IRIX in particular still gets modern software ported to it sometimes: https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/cd5x78...
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by forgotmypw17 on Monday August 30, 2021 @09:10PM (#28362891)
I still do a good portion of my creative writing in Microsoft Word 97.
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by Teknoman117 on Monday August 30, 2021 @10:11PM (#28363225)
I have a genuine disk copy of Office '97 around here somewhere...
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by fsiefken on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @05:27AM (#28377836)
dillo might run
Re:Ex-Caldera dev describes lost “WinBolt” Win9x-capable ver... by fsiefken on Thursday September 02, 2021 @03:45PM (#28396471)