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Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by wizzwizz4 on Monday August 30, 2021 @03:51PM (#28360120)
In fairness, trademarks don't have to be registered to be trademarks (edit: as cassidyjames said, but I skimmed over). Also:

> but I absolutely do not want to go the legal threat route and that's not what this issue was; this issue is me requesting you respect the elementary name and don't use it for something that is not produced by elementary. Because as we've seen repeatedly in the past, it causes real user confusion about the source and endorsement of software.

Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by aDfbrtVt on Monday August 30, 2021 @03:55PM (#28360165)
Agreed, the request was very polite and seems totally reasonable. While I don’t think you can call digging up public fillings dox-ing, I don’t see any reason for the developer not to respect the request.
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by spinax on Monday August 30, 2021 @03:56PM (#28360174)
https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/BasicFac...

Page 11

> Is federal registration of my mark required?

> No. In the United States, parties are not required to register their marks to obtain protectable rights. You can establish "common law" rights in a mark based solely on use of the mark in commerce, without a registration.

I have read that the US is also "first use" and not "first to file", eliminating a race to registration.

Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by ddtaylor on Monday August 30, 2021 @03:58PM (#28360185)
Correct, but those marks are limited to the specific areas where you practice business, whereas federal trademarks grant you the mark outside of only the areas where you practice business.
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by chrismcb on Monday August 30, 2021 @04:40PM (#28360630)
Federal trademarks grant you the mark in areas you apply for. And you can still lose it.
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by jaywalk on Monday August 30, 2021 @03:54PM (#28360153)
Yep, came to say exactly this. cassidyjames seems to be completely in the right here, and isn't even doing anything crazy. krisives is the problem.
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by DanRabbit on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:07PM (#28360878)
Yup, I also made a comment saying that we are absolutely not threatening legal action, nobody here is a lawyer, and it's only a request. So he deleted it
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by ddtaylor on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:14PM (#28360941)
You mean the comment where you claim that you were being harassed?
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by DanRabbit on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:19PM (#28360982)
Yes, the repo owner is trying to make it seem like elementary is threatening legal action, which again we aren't, and after not responding to any private communication, refusing to take down a link to a private residence, and continuing to draw attention on social media they were banned from our online communities for harassment and doxxing which goes against our code of conduct.
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by ddtaylor on Monday August 30, 2021 @05:23PM (#28361017)
Didn't he link to a public document part of an attempted trademark filing?
Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by threatofrain on Monday August 30, 2021 @06:15PM (#28361526)
But why is that interesting? Neither of them are lawyers, and you don't need the federal government to grant a trademark to have one.

If someone wishes to address the issue on strictly legal grounds, such as by contending there is no trademark protection, then there is no choice but to bring in lawyers... All further discussion after that is just nonsense, such as the discussion of how Ubuntu uses their trademark — there's no point in trying to develop your own internal legal theory by reasoning with Ubuntu as a proxy.

Re:Linux distro creator tries to enforce a trademark he does... by ddtaylor on Monday August 30, 2021 @07:21PM (#28362113)
Because it shows that the trademark was rejected.