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Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by tekknik on Monday August 30, 2021 @09:26AM (#28355422)
Because I didn’t throw a party every night for multiple years in a row that invited everybody in the country then once it started getting super popular I only allowed in those that talked like me.

Free speech was so important is the first amendment. It’s valued even hire than protection.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by otterley on Monday August 30, 2021 @09:52AM (#28355653)
The Constitution constrains what the Government can do. It doesn’t constrain what private actors like Facebook can do. It never has.

Also your analogy is flawed. Facebook doesn’t do what you suggest today (“only allow in those who talk like me”). They allow almost all speech, with opposing viewpoints, different policy perspectives, different cultures, etc. Arguments happen there all the time.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by tekknik on Monday August 30, 2021 @10:12AM (#28355835)
> The Constitution constrains what the Government can do.

Yes, thanks for the reminder. That’s why this isn’t the gov doing and instead is the left via their means of control. That’s why there’s pending FOIA requests for this very thing.

> Also your analogy is flawed. Facebook doesn’t do what you suggest today (“only allow in those who talk like me”).

Only if you take it quite literally. Otherwise are you saying they don’t censor anybody that doesn’t reiterate the same thing the left is saying?

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by otterley on Monday August 30, 2021 @10:44AM (#28356162)
> are you saying they don’t censor anybody that doesn’t reiterate the same thing the left is saying?

Yes, and there are plenty of examples of it, too. Republican governors and politicians, and right-leaning people of all levels of fame, with very few exceptions, continue to have a presence on Facebook and communicate there with their followers. Pick any Republican governor or Senator: they will be there.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by tekknik on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @09:27AM (#28367788)
So if I go on and post “misinformation”, which is defined by the left as anything antinarative (see all the “you ain’t black” claims) then what?
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by otterley on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:15PM (#28373761)
Why don't you just stick to characterizing things as "facts" that are actually demonstrably true? Then you don't have to even worry about this stuff.

Facts don't have a well-known liberal bias, Colbert Report joking aside.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by tekknik on Saturday September 04, 2021 @08:54AM (#28414648)
Facts and “misinformation” have nothing to do with each other. At least not what the left has defined it as.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by shadowgovt on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @02:33PM (#28371767)
Usually? Nothing.

Occasionally, if it's a common piece of misinformation that's been widely-shared enough to justify manual intervention, a fact-check box may appear underneath. This happens to "facts" with a conservative political slant, as well as "facts" with a liberal political slant. If you run a page, your page can get "strikes" for this sort of thing that will cause you to down-rank in people's pages, but if anything, Facebook has been caught out for tipping towards the conservative side of that scale, suppressing that penalty on some popular conservative pages (https://www.engadget.com/facebook-overruled-fact-checkers-to...).

Rarely, you'll share "misinformation" that is also in violation of community standards (I'll leave that to the reader's imagination) and get a time-out proportional to how often that happens.

To understand Facebook's behavior, it's useful to remember that their goal is growth and retention. They want everybody using the service. I suspect, based on observation of their behavior, that they've discovered for themselves that without those measures, growth and retention are being harmed more than they'e harmed via time-outs and fact-checking (i.e. organized boycotts over Facebook being a place where falsehoods spread wildly, people encouraging their more vulnerable friends and relatives to stay off FB so the misinformation parade doesn't convince them to take horse-dewormer, etc.).

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by tekknik on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:37AM (#28414962)
> This happens to "facts" with a conservative political slant, as well as "facts" with a liberal political slant.

Yes, we've all seen this "fair" fact checking. Hint, if the left is OK with it, the right is furious about it. You cannot be fair to both in a way that is accepting to liberals.

> Facebook has been caught out for tipping towards the conservative side of that scale, suppressing that penalty on some popular conservative pages

As they should, for both sides. But interestingly this makes my point even more. That everybody is quite aware of what censorship was about and is taking place. Yet they put on this falsity and get shills to help defend them because?

> To understand Facebook's behavior, it's useful to remember that their goal is growth and retention.

Right. They are censoring and aligning everybody on FB to the same thought process, which happens to be a majority of Americans.

> I suspect, based on observation of their behavior, that they've discovered for themselves that without those measures, growth and retention are being harmed more than they'e harmed via time-outs and fact-checking

When censorship is the result, do you think we should have more that a suspicion? What about the people on the right leaving? They don't seem to care about retaining those? Interestingly the people left align with the CEO's own political beliefs.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by shadowgovt on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:50AM (#28415075)
> What about the people on the right leaving? They don't seem to care about retaining those?

Right, and usually they would. Growth and retention is the lifeblood of everything Facebook does; Zuck would rather cut off his own right foot than intentionally lose users.

Which is why the only rational conclusion I can find with the evidence I see is that Zuck is either afraid that continued inaction was eventually going to land him in jail (or put him through years of Congressional investigations) or they have hard numbers showing that for every X people on the right they retain, they are losing N*X other users, N > 1.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by tekknik on Sunday September 05, 2021 @08:12AM (#28423718)
Or, and in my mind more plausibly, this is your typical democrat trying to cancel and persuade others to align to their point of view. How much social flack do you think people get for not being on FB? This entire thing is an effort in persuasion, and if that fails, exile.