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Re:Show HN: We built an end-to-end encrypted alternative to ... by SXX on Sunday August 29, 2021 @03:47PM (#28349846)
Okay it's easy to downvote, but I'll elaborate instead. First of all Google is trainihg AI models on your data and also able to create shadow profiles for people including those who decide against using Google services.

They also used dark pattern on Android for years by enabling cloud sync by default for everything. So a lot of people got all their photos uploaded while they had no idea about feature.

So it's not any different from Facebook that constantly tried to collect as much data on you as possible. Do you know what is evil about facebook?

Re:Show HN: We built an end-to-end encrypted alternative to ... by missedthecue on Sunday August 29, 2021 @07:08PM (#28351336)
I don't really get what's evil about AI models and cloud sync.

And I don't think anything is wrong about Facebook's business model. I think most people are uninformed about it and believe that they sell personal data, but if you understand the way they make money, it's very difficult to say that there is any particular issue with it.

Re:Show HN: We built an end-to-end encrypted alternative to ... by istingray on Sunday August 29, 2021 @07:35PM (#28351482)
Ah, what you really meant was "what's evil about selling my data?" which is a much larger question. And it sounds like you already have your answer.
Re:Show HN: We built an end-to-end encrypted alternative to ... by fomine3 on Monday August 30, 2021 @02:45AM (#28353285)
They actually don't "sell".
Re:Show HN: We built an end-to-end encrypted alternative to ... by krageon on Tuesday August 31, 2021 @05:39AM (#28365747)
They take your data and turn it into something that has value to them. With actual selling, that something is money. In this case it could be something else, but saying it that way will not help the general discourse of this problem at all. Much like being pedantic over terminology.
Re:Show HN: We built an end-to-end encrypted alternative to ... by istingray on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @12:09PM (#28381665)
Ouch. This post reminds me of that one about GoogleSpeak: how Google limits thought about antitrust https://zyppy.com/googlespeak/