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Re:Big company tale: six months for a list and a button by leroman on Sunday August 29, 2021 @05:33AM (#28345402)
Had very similar experiences at not even a "big company" it's more of a mentality of a "Big Co.". People hired to just not care, sit at meetings to make managers feel important and provide some pseudo progress to higer-ups to make things look like they are moving somewhere.

In reality, I have not doubt a half decent motivated engineer can replace a group of these unmotivated developers, which I have seen done and did my self in the past.

The real reason unmotivated engineers are there and things work this way in a company, in my experience, is bad management. Good people leave, who ever is left does what ever they can, those who care, suffer.

Re:Big company tale: six months for a list and a button by nicbou on Sunday August 29, 2021 @06:08AM (#28345553)
The last line is accurate. You either give up and leave, or stay and become part of them. It's really hard to stay and effect change.
Re:Big company tale: six months for a list and a button by TomDavey on Sunday August 29, 2021 @12:58PM (#28348390)
You just described the thesis of one of the wisest books I've ever read, Albert O. Hirschman's 1970 classic "Exit, Voice, and Loyalty."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit%2C_Voice%2C_and_Loyalty

Re:Big company tale: six months for a list and a button by cutemonster on Sunday August 29, 2021 @02:34PM (#28349260)
Thanks! I read the whole Wikipedia page and a bit more (this far), started thinking about the book.
Re:Big company tale: six months for a list and a button by cutemonster on Sunday August 29, 2021 @05:09PM (#28350501)
Btw that book explains why sometimes a police force or the military in a country can be recklessly violent, and consist largely of men who happily do all sorts of atrocities
Re:Big company tale: six months for a list and a button by tmitchel2 on Sunday August 29, 2021 @06:48AM (#28345707)
Yup nailed it