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Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by lmilcin on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:06PM (#28342345)
Hold your horses. It is not "the internet". It is private chat.

You need to understand difference between communication that is meant to be public from one that is meant to be private.

Law makes clear distinction.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:42PM (#28342584)
Facebook is not a common carrier. You aren't having a private conversation on any of its properties. You're communicating with Facebook and they relay non-public messages to recipients.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by lmilcin on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:46PM (#28342603)
It is private conversation because it is not meant to be made public by its users. Not because Facebook isn't "common carrier".

Piece of paper isn't common carrier. If I write a note to my wife and give it myself it is private because I wanted and expected it private. If I taped it to a billboard it means I no longer expect it private and it is public.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by otterley on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:42PM (#28343319)
You’re mixing up two legal concepts: expectation of privacy and common carriers.

Despite phone companies being common carriers (and thus being required to carry communications without censoring them), the Supreme Court has made it clear that people should have no reasonable expectation of privacy when they relay communications through a pay phone. The reasoning was that you give up your right to privacy when you involve a third party to your conversation. See Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967).

So the two can coexist.

Only common carriers are forced to carry speech unimpeded, regardless of its content. Expectation of privacy is irrelevant to common carrier status. The former is about whether it can be intercepted. The latter is about whether it can be impeded.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by sjy on Sunday August 29, 2021 @12:16AM (#28344065)
Katz v. United States held the opposite: “The Government’s activities in electronically listening to and recording the petitioner’s words violated the privacy upon which he justifiably relied while using the telephone booth and thus constituted a ‘search and seizure’ within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment.”

More recent decisions suggest that the third party doctrine, according to which there is no legitimate expectation of privacy in information voluntarily turned over to third parties, is unlikely to apply to private messages on Facebook:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Warshak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_v._United_States

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by otterley on Sunday August 29, 2021 @12:50AM (#28344272)
Crap, my bad. You’re right. Clearly I misremembered the case and should have reviewed it first. I withdraw my point about that.

As you said, Katz did say that we do have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to person-to-person communications. However, that has no bearing on whether the carrier can or cannot block the communication. That still hinges on whether the carrier is a common carrier.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by lmilcin on Sunday August 29, 2021 @03:44AM (#28344951)
I would suggest blocking and selectively editing messages is different.

Conversation on messenger is multiple messages, blocking would be preventing entire conversation. Removing some messages selectively changes meaning of other messages

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by ryandrake on Saturday August 28, 2021 @10:36PM (#28343591)
It's not a private conversation. It's content sent to, and hosted on Facebook's servers. Why should Facebook (or HN, or any site) be compelled to host content that it doesn't want? If you ran a web site, should you be disallowed from moderating what user content is available?
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by Closi on Sunday August 29, 2021 @05:23AM (#28345358)
> It's not a private conversation.

It is according to Facebook. Here is a quote from their own website:

> We’re dedicated to making sure Messenger is a safe, private, and secure place for you to connect with the people who matter.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by graeme on Sunday August 29, 2021 @02:53PM (#28349425)
Reddit shadowbans in private chat too. Gmail does shadowban equivalent. HN doesn’t have private chat, but I imagine they’d use the tool if they could.

If you’ve never moderated anything halfway popular you have no idea what “uncensored” means in 2021.

It isn’t early 90s usenet. It’s endless spam, porn, etc

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by cmeacham98 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:34PM (#28342540)
Facebook is not an outlier in this case: Reddit shadowbans affect DMs too.

Not sure why you brought the law up, as far as I know what FB is doing is 100% legal.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by lmilcin on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:42PM (#28342588)
Do you not understand what private communication is and how it is different from Reddit?
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by cmeacham98 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:50PM (#28342629)
Serious question: What's the difference, for your definition of "private communication", between a FB Messenger message and Reddit DM?

I can't think of any reason one would be considered private and the other not.

Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by lmilcin on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:53PM (#28342650)
Same way I can expect my phone operator to not change meaning of my texts between me and my wife but allow me to block messages from strangers I don't want to be bothered by.
Re:FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent by cmeacham98 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @08:06PM (#28342720)
This doesn't answer my question, which I will restate:

Why is FB Messenger 'private' while Reddit DMs are 'not private'?