Apple can read your iMessages (even though they’re E2E encrypted)

Re:Apple can read your iMessages (even though they’re E2E en... by smoldesu on Saturday August 28, 2021 @03:28PM (#28340755)

Edward Snowden's article earlier this week posited that some 80% of iPhone users leave auto-sync on for iCloud, meaning that there's about a 20% chance that the next thing you send over iMessage isn't encrypted.

Why is guesswork like that acceptable in a privacy tool? Furthermore, who actually believed that Apple couldn't read their messages? 'End-to-end' means very little when both ends are Apple-controlled.

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Re:Apple can read your iMessages (even though they’re E2E en... by zepto on Saturday August 28, 2021 @04:21PM (#28341187)

I’d be surprised if it’s as low as 80%.

It’s pretty simple. iMessage is relatively secure and most criminals, nation states etc, won’t be able to access your messages unless they have a legal means to do so.

If you need protection from a nation state that can force Apple to divulge content, such as the US, use something else such as signal.

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Re:Apple can read your iMessages (even though they’re E2E en... by AbjectFailure on Saturday August 28, 2021 @04:48PM (#28341347)

iMessage actually isn’t included in iCloud backups by default. It’s the one thing toggled off in the settings of a fresh iOS install.

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Re:Apple can read your iMessages (even though they’re E2E en... by ummonk on Saturday August 28, 2021 @05:49PM (#28341806)

It's included in iCloud backups, just not toggled to use end to end encrypted iCloud sync (in which case iCloud backups would back up the decryption key).

See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207428, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208532, https://support.apple.com/guide/security/security-of-icloud-..., and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

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Re:Apple can read your iMessages (even though they’re E2E en... by ec109685 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:35PM (#28342110)

iCloud Message sync doesn’t expose your messages to Apple. Only setting that matters is the iCloud Backup.

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