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Re:Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional by mc32 on Friday August 27, 2021 @09:18PM (#28334703)
Believe it or not, I met a RE agent who told me back in the early 90s RE agents were leaving SF because business was so bad. It's hard to imagine, but at least an anecdote.

But so was San Jose. Apparently the "downtown" was boarded up in many places till the late 90s when it began emerging from a mini-Detroit like state. MacEnary was feverishly trying to resuscitate it, I don't think it was his effort so much as it was tech to the rescue, else it would have been an Albukerke.

Re:Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional by bodyfour on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:11AM (#28335580)
That is completely true, but it's by no means confined to SF.

In SF in the 1980s, SOMA was one of the cheapest places even in a cheap city like SF... lost of broke creative types living in old warehouse/industrial space that would otherwise be going derelict.

In lower Manhattan whole neighborhoods were in a similar state -- bohemian artists occupying loads of space that nobody else would touch.

And in London plenty of neighborhoods were full of squats. Housing stock had become so worthless that it wasn't even worth the effort to prevent people living there for free.

Now those same neighborhoods are among the most expensive urban areas in the English-speaking world. People are literally spending millions of dollars to live at those exact same street addresses... in some cases even living in the same structures, just instead of a half-derelict warehouse it'll now be all marble countertops and the like.

All of these places have their own stories and unique factors, but it's also very remarkable how similar the trajectories and how extreme the swing has been.

Re:Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional by mc32 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:41AM (#28335676)
I was told alphabet city was like that. Squatting and soup kitchens; semi abandoned buildings.
Re:Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional by jdminhbg on Friday August 27, 2021 @11:34PM (#28335420)
I don’t live in California but visit[ed] a bunch for work and family reasons. San Jose has essentially always felt like a rust belt city with better weather. Even up until 2020 the downtown restaurant and bar scene was like going to the cool part of Toledo. I don’t understand why that is, but it’s not surprising to me that any small economic downturn would result in flight.