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Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by lmeyerov on Friday August 27, 2021 @06:34AM (#28326131)
Many factories, utilities, and other tricky hw like 24/7 b/c less restart errors

Blind men and elaphant? :)

Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by ahi on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:18PM (#28329655)
Hospitals prefer 12 hour shifts for similar reasons. Their "restarts" are called "handoffs". A tired nurse in hour 11 of their shift is less dangerous than a fresh nurse who doesn't know everything that didn't make it into the patient records. There's a large body of research into handoff errors, and the lessons have mostly been put into practice. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case in "knowledge" based industries where failure isn't as easy to measure as death and malpractice lawsuits.
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by ipaddr on Friday August 27, 2021 @02:42PM (#28331510)
Wouldn't the handoff suffer more at the 11th compared to the 8th hour. I wonder if they take employee constant sleep deprivation transferring into patient experiences vs legal coverage when making these decisions.
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by lmeyerov on Friday August 27, 2021 @03:07PM (#28331780)
The trade-off is whether patients see tired staff vs patients rotate through more staff with no context (= multiply chance of onboarding mistakes, more delays, ...). Tempering this a bit, a lot of smaller-staffed late shift care is more about handling emergencies and otherwise keeping folks fine until the bigger day shift comes in.

Most software IT/ops is luckily generally much smaller in time scale of most incidents, and much more tolerant of hand-off errors and delays. Ex: For 24/7, you get an instant email acknowledgement of ticket receipt, someone triages it, and if on a boundary, OK for current shift to ignore and leave for the next one. Likewise, for bigger incidents, better for throughput for the same person to pick across shifts to avoid hand-off errors, even if that introduces delays when it spans shifts. But not universally true across orgs, nor for incident types. Ex: For tricky & sensitive incidents that take 8-24 hours, the hospital results show longer shifts might make sense, so I'd want to see experiments before making assumptions!

Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by burnished on Friday August 27, 2021 @10:44AM (#28328477)
Those facilities are also typically running three shifts, whereas you seem to be implying it is common for individuals to be working.. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by mediaman on Friday August 27, 2021 @11:36AM (#28329181)
24/7 would usually be four shifts. The most common schedule is for each shift to run 12 hours, working three days one week and four the next, for a total of 84 hours per two weeks.

Three shifts works well for 24/5, each shift running eight hours a day.

Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by burnished on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:28PM (#28329760)
Thanks!
Re:Chinese authorities say overtime '996' policy is illegal by nix23 on Friday August 27, 2021 @06:43AM (#28326176)
We talk about humans NOT the Machines, Servers are 24/7 the admins are Not...i hope ;)