I don't deny any of this information, on the contrary I'm well aware of it. Average age 79, 99% of had a significant confounding illness. The vast majority of people who have died were already sick and living in a nursing home, literally waiting to die. Meanwhile in my state until March of last year deaths from child abuse, which has sky-rocketed at unprecedented rates world wide since the start of the pandemic, outstripped deaths from Covid. I don't understand why you and so many other are living in denial of that information. It's like you don't even care about the costs of your actions, just a the vague justification of the number of people who have died from covid. The fact is people are going to die no matter what you do about it, so not acknowledging these policies themselves have caused suffering, let alone seriously consider whether or not they were effective, is a more egregious sleight than not doing anything at all. 5 years from now people are going to look back at humanity's reaction to Covid and say, "wow, that was astonishingly stupid."

COVID-19 just recently surpassed the number of war casualties from World War I forward.

625K war casualties[1] < 635K COVID-19 casualties[2]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualt... [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Exactly. Modern day healthcare is keeping most Covid patients alive. But the disease is also putting a strain on modern day healthcare more than anything else ever has.

Note that I actually agree more with you two about the overall impact of the pandemic and the collapse of the hospital system, not with ManBlanket up there.

I'm coming at this more from the perspective that the panic over delta being something straight out of a Big Bad TV Trope that breaks all the previous rules, is that it completely undermines the effectiveness of the vaccination campaign. The current best antivaxxer argument right now is just that all the headlines show that the vaccines don't work. I'm pushing back against that. It still looks to me like nobody has given me any indications the vaccines don't work. I think their VE against delta has been dramatically understated, the waning immunity has not been proven, and their efficacy against transmission is probably a lot higher than currently assumed.

At some point in the future I'll agree with the perspective that we need to start treating this more like the flu, but if the hospital systems are falling over we aren't there yet.