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Re:Canistilluse.com by cameronh90 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:31AM (#28312987)
It's "borderline unusable" because the vast majority of people who use computers probably wouldn't know how to select more than one item. There are no affordances and virtually nothing uses it any more.

Even in the early desktop era when it was popular, many non-enthusiasts probably just didn't know how to use a UI control like that. It just didn't cause a problem because most people didn't use computers much.

I would bet that most internet users today have never even used a UI where that control is popular.

Re:Canistilluse.com by swiley on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:35AM (#28313003)
If you're that worried "<p> hold shift to select more than one item.</p>" isn't a whole lot extra to add and is something most people can handle.
Re:Canistilluse.com by cameronh90 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:54AM (#28313158)
You think people actually read what's on the screen...?

Never done tech support I take it!

Re:Canistilluse.com by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:58AM (#28313767)
So how do you expect them to use your product if you strawmen them as people incapable of reading?
Re:Canistilluse.com by nkrisc on Thursday August 26, 2021 @08:56AM (#28314321)
Because they’ll only read what they believe is essential to their goal. Small text below a form element does not scream “critical” it doesn’t get read. I’ve watched many users use websites: they only read what they think is important and skip everything else.
Re:Canistilluse.com by david422 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @09:40AM (#28314789)
Not just naive users either. I am very computer literate and yet I find myself in situations where I've skipped that text and only find it when I go back.

It makes me think when I'm designing things. If I have problems with stuff like that, how can I make it better.

Re:Canistilluse.com by handrous on Thursday August 26, 2021 @11:54AM (#28316559)
Really, if people read everything they'd never get anything done. They see dozens to hundreds of things marked visually as important that they'll do fine ignoring, every single day. Of course they often miss the one or two per day that they actually needed to read.

Then there's the way styles are so different, especially on the web. Horribly user-hostile. How does this site mark something as important, assuming it bothers in the first place? Who knows. And if I'm only planning to be on it for 30s, I'm not going to learn that.

Re:Canistilluse.com by swiley on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:22PM (#28316977)
>. And if I'm only planning to be on it for 30s, I'm not going to learn that.

It's a standard UI control and it is used pretty often.

Re:Canistilluse.com by handrous on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:52PM (#28317401)
I guarantee you fewer than 50% of people who use a desktop computer at least once a week know how to multi-select and range-select using shift and ctrl on them, though. That's why you need the text—which many will, for reasons that are actually pretty good, ignore.

Or you could just use a better control.

Re:Canistilluse.com by nkrisc on Thursday August 26, 2021 @11:02PM (#28323862)
It is standard but it is not used often. In fact, I can’t remember the last time I saw one used that want some ancient, intranet application built on Cold Fusion.

Many users don’t even know you can use a key shortcut to copy/paste.

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Re:Canistilluse.com by beaconstudios on Thursday August 26, 2021 @10:16AM (#28315269)
A good designer designs for reality, not their ideal head canon of how people /should/ behave.
Re:Canistilluse.com by userbinator on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:45PM (#28319660)
No, we should stop dumbing down UIs to the lowest common denominator because that's how you get user-hostile software that treats users like sheep to be herded and monetised.

The less you encourage learning and self-improvement, the less it will happen.

Re:Canistilluse.com by beaconstudios on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:02PM (#28319888)
You get user hostile software that treats people as sheep to be herded and monetised because of the capitalisation of software, not because designers are making their interfaces too easy to use.

Don't blame designers for that, blame VCs and Silicon Valley.

Re:Canistilluse.com by mikepurvis on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:49AM (#28313121)
Probably wouldn’t be a great fit for touch or screen reader interfaces, though.
Re:Canistilluse.com by swiley on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:53AM (#28313147)
Touch screen OSes usually have their own implementations.
Re:Canistilluse.com by blacktriangle on Thursday August 26, 2021 @08:57AM (#28314339)
Which frankly is the best argument FOR using the built-in multiple select, since the custom widgets often fail on touch.
Re:Canistilluse.com by fermuch on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:51AM (#28313128)
Some users don't know what key "shift" refers to.
Re:Canistilluse.com by jrochkind1 on Monday August 30, 2021 @11:44AM (#28356817)
"* Command-key on MacOS that's the one that that has a ⌘ on it btw"

"‡ On a phone or tablet or whatever, ignore us, we're just confusing you."

Re:Canistilluse.com by motioncuty on Thursday August 26, 2021 @10:05AM (#28315113)
How do I do it on my phone or tablet?