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Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by pbhjpbhj on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:36AM (#28311733)
It strikes me the best cure is to restrict copyright to force federation - if you sell to one company who retails to consumers in a geo locality then you're required to make available to any company at that price.

Streaming services would be forced to compete in everything except content. Creators would still be paid.

Copyright isn't a natural right, it should be continually adapted to serve the public.

What are the problems with this?

My personal views, of course.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by matthewmcg on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:45AM (#28313623)
There already are compulsory licensing schemes that work like this. For example, in the United States, there are “mechanical licenses” [1] available by statute for streaming and downloaded music recordings. In practice, most big platforms negotiate with a rights organization or with the artist directly[2], but the statutory rate operates as a price ceiling.

One big problem with compulsory licensing is that rights organizations that manage the payment of royalties often become very powerful themselves and are sometimes seen as copyright bullies. For example, ASCAP, which represents composers and licenses musical compositions rights, pursued the Girl Scouts for unlicensed singing of campfire songs. [3]

[1]: https://www.copyright.gov/licensing/m200a.pdf

[2] example: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/24/taylor-swif...

[3]: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/17/nyregion/ascap-asks-royal...

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by jrm4 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:21PM (#28316957)
This presumes piracy is bad. Which I'd say is mostly true, but I'd go so far as to suggest that, e.g. Spotify is worse.

Essentially, they both mean that creators don't meaningfully get paid, only that Spotify appears legitimate due to the breadcrumbs and "exposure" they do give out.

E.g. Bandcamp is better than piracy, but I'd argue piracy is better than Spotify.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Nilef on Thursday August 26, 2021 @02:50PM (#28318937)
always find this argument so weird - The amount of people who can create music and find an audience now vs a decade ago is exponentially higher; subsequently, the market price of a song has fallen and Spotify pays accordingly.

Except now, as an independent artist I can get easier exposure on Spotify and build up more income from live shows, merch and whatever else as a result. My closest fans will still often buy from band camp, or buy a vinyl or whatever. Except now I have a ton more fans than I could have reasonably achieved in the iTunes era

And the distribution of wealth has stayed relatively similar - huge artists (The Taylor swift’s of the world) continue to be minted, small unknown artists continue to make a comparatively tiny living - except now many, many more people can make that living and stream music

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by jon-wood on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:31AM (#28312550)
If copyright law said that the price a piece of content is available for is the highest amount any provider in a region is willing to pay then you're setting up for a monopoly, as Netflix or Amazon Prime with their near infinite content budgets set the price of everything they like higher than any new competitor can afford to pay.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by pbhjpbhj on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:33AM (#28313489)
Sorry, I don't think I expressed that well, I intended to say it was akin to a "most favoured nation" situation; if Netflix get a lower price per person, then you have to offer that price to others.

I can't see how Amazon and Netflix could push prices up without unlawful collusion? But if they did push prices up for all media how would they sell their service?

It's not unheard of for major players to have contracts that say 'if you're offering this to another company for less per unit than you are to us then you agree to reduce our price accordingly', the idea is just to make that lowest price universal so that.

I sell license for prints of my painting to Acme for £5 then ABC can print the same painting and pay me £5. As creator I can choose not to sell the work for £5, but that's no different to now; what I wouldn't be able to do is restrict who - in the wholesale market - could buy the work for that price.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by roenxi on Thursday August 26, 2021 @06:08AM (#28312803)
> What are the problems with this?

The fundamental trust of copyright is literally to make things worse for consumers to the benefit of producers. If you see consumers being inconvenienced in an expensive way as a problem then you haven't engaged with the problem copyright is here to solve.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by pbhjpbhj on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:19AM (#28313355)
[I fear you were being sarcastic, but in any case ...]

Copyright is to enrich the public domain. It's foundation in the West is Queen Anne's statute which followed on from printmakers making their own regulations. It shifted power from the printmakers to the creators, buy it served the public domain by having a limited period of protection and by preserving copies of works which could be referenced.

It made things better for the public because after 7 years (IIRC, I think it was later extendable to 14 years) the work was free to get printed anywhere vastly aiding the spread of culturally important works. The fundamental bargain also aided the demos (as opposed to the consumer, per se); that bargain being that a creator could exclusively - with the backing of the law - control reproduction during those 7 years and so profit sufficiently to continue creating further works without having to seek a patron.

Copyright is supposed to be, and was, about liberation of creators from control; and democratisation (making available to the people) of works.

The change I propose aids creators getting paid, and aids works benefiting the public. Moreover, it wrests some control from the "printmakers" in keeping with early copyright laws.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by chrismcb on Friday August 27, 2021 @01:21AM (#28324538)
I'm the US copyright is to allow creators control over their creation, for a time, presumably so the can monetize it. This incentives creators to create. Yes, in the long run, public domain wins. But so do the creators. Forcing them to sell to everyone takes a lot of control away from the copyright holders.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by deepsun on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:58AM (#28312742)
On the other hand, I firmly believe that creators must be able to choose any distribution way they want (similar to "right to burn"). E.g creators may choose to sell unrestricted copyrights to the most evil companies they want, it's their ultimate right.

Consumers have a right to consume or not consume, but they may not limit creator's freedom, nor by "restricting copyright to force delegation".

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by pbhjpbhj on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:03AM (#28313204)
Why? How does that serve the demos?

Creators may choose who to sell to, with you there. But then we (the demos) may choose to not give copyright protection. We're not limiting creators freedom, we're limiting who we choose to protect from the open market.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by deepsun on Thursday August 26, 2021 @07:34AM (#28313497)
I mean this particular part I have a problem with: "may choose to not give copyright protection" -- we, consumers, don't have a say in creator's copyrights, because we don't have these copyrights, creators do. Creators may as well be with us and sell their content to a company that abides by these laws of restricted copyrights (e.g. GPL license is particular example). Or not.

It's our job, though, to make that available and easy for creators (e.g. kudos to RMS for making and popularising the GPL).

But no one should be able force anything on _all_ creators.

PS: Well, the outcome would be that creators would stop create at all, and in some cases that might be fair and just, but that's another topic completely. E.g. some societies regard as fair and just limits on drawings of humans and animals, so there's no such drawings. And they see it as fair and just.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by CRConrad on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:55PM (#28321455)
> I mean this particular part I have a problem with: "may choose to not give copyright protection" -- we, consumers, don't have a say in creator's copyrights, because we don't have these copyrights, creators do.

But demos doesn't mean "we, consumers" -- it means "we, the people". As in, the body politic, from whom all laws and therefore copyright ultimately emanates. Creators only have those copyrights because we've granted them. This is a law of man, neither God-given nor a law of nature -- we can, if we want, un-grant them.