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Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by cromwellian on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:22PM (#28308983)
Wait. Your fearmongering about adverse reactions to the vaccine, but you acknowledge that you had an adverse reaction to COVID and indeed, the # of people with serious COVID complications dwarfs those with vaccine complications by orders of magnitude.

Also, this study doesn't seem to segment what the strain the 'natural infection'. The current vaccines are not engineered from the delta strain, but the alpha strains, and therefore it is not surprising you get breakthrough infections. But they don't seem to distinguish in this study between a natural alpha or a natural delta infection.

And there is an argument for getting it at this time:

1) If you get a booster, the chances of re-infection/breakthrough go down. In other words, you will not be an infectious disease vector that spreads to other people and increases the R0 value.

2) If you don't, and get re-infected, you will go on to infect other people. Maybe the symptoms won't be bad for you, but they may be deadly to someone else.

Whenever these debates about vaccines or masks come up, people always talk about my body and my freedom, but they never seem to consider the fact that their decisions are actually impacting the wider community. This isn't like a libertarian property rights decision about your own fenced in property, when you are infected by COVID, you are invading other people's bodies from your territory, and it behooves you to try and stop spreading to other people.

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by 300bps on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @10:14PM (#28309785)
It’s confusing - alpha is not the original strain. It’s the original variant.

The vaccines are based on the original strain, not the alpha variant.

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by ipaddr on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:54PM (#28309233)
Everyone's decisions affect everyone.

Anyone who used a plane. Went to work. Went out to eat. Left their home. All put society are risk. Have you left your home in the last year? If so you have put others at risk.

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by cromwellian on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @09:11PM (#28309356)
Not all risks are the same, either in probability, or expected value, or avoidability or cost to mitigate. You're just trying to hand wave away the argument.

The cost-benefit of a mask compared with the cost-benefit of never leaving your home. You sure these two scenarios are equal?

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by swader999 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @01:45AM (#28311139)
Masks are a bad joke. Respirators are the only thing that work with aerosol size particles and covid is well below the size that aerosols are classed at. See Edwards et al 2/23/2021 (figure 4.) for a start. Go and read the package insert on an N95 mask (the weakest kind of respirator), it warns they are not suitable for asbestos particles which are many times larger than the covid virus. Masks leak because they are impossible to seal, they don't do anything beneficial. The infection rates in schools in Florida where some were under mask mandates and others were not were identical and tracked the general community rates.
Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:48PM (#28342222)
Congratulations on being another vector for misinformation.

It has never been the case that anyone suggested that N95 masks could stop the passage of naked SARS-COV-2 particles.

However, when ejected from the respiratory passages during breathing, coughing, sneezing, the viral particles are not naked, but bound into much larger particles comprised mostly of bodily fluids. N95 masks do a stellar job of preventing the passage of such particles. Yes, edge sealing is an issue, but it is completely incorrect to claim that as a result "they don't do anything beneficial". Citing a single statistic from schools in Florida is not a legitimate way of overturning worldwide, vast-N studies that support the efficacy of mask wearing.

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by distantaidenn on Thursday August 26, 2021 @02:58AM (#28311512)
In general, would you rather a person open sneezed at you with or without a mask?
Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by swader999 on Thursday August 26, 2021 @08:53AM (#28314294)
In my entire life, no one has directly sneezed on me except for my own kids when they were little. I'd rather they cover with their elbow than us all wear a mask.

If they are covid infectious, I've already inhaled their particles before they sneezed if we were both wearing surgical masks. See that study I referenced.

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:49PM (#28342229)
You should watch some of those clever (thermal?) imaging videos of what happens when people sneeze when using various kinds of coverings (or none at all).

The aerosol spray from even an elbow-covered sneezed is something to behold.

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by ukj on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @09:03PM (#28309301)
The favourite trick of misinformation purveyors is stripping away context.

Then they can hide behind equivocation.

Risk is risk! Even manifest risk is risk!

Re:Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced ... by solarengineer on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:44PM (#28309155)
I do wonder what is disagreeable about what was said here. This is the reasoning for vaccines around the world.