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Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by nradov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:02PM (#28306952)
You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by Bud on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:09PM (#28307043)
Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by nradov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:24PM (#28307233)
If you give a monkey a machine gun, and the monkey shoots someone, we don't blame the monkey.

Society has always had court jesters who poke fun at authority. If you take health and epidemiology advice from a comedian then that's on you.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by CydeWeys on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:41PM (#28307453)
That metaphor doesn't work though because Joe Rogan is a person, not a monkey. Give a person a machine gun and if they shoot someone you do blame them.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by colinmhayes on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @06:04PM (#28307715)
Joe Rogan is the one giving the gun is your scenario, so you're claiming we should blame him?
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by aaronbrethorst on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:28PM (#28307278)
If you take health and epidemiology advice from a comedian then that's on you

And every person you infect.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by ds206 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:38PM (#28307407)
And every person you don't infect?
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by ds206 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:17PM (#28307144)
"Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic."

Yeah, I think it does. Has he been cancelled? Nope. Does he stop making jokes about almost anything? Nope. Do you listen to his podcast? Nope.

You know how he became so popular? From talking and being open minded. That's _all_ he does. He ain't doing it to be an influencer yet "journalists" actually waste time writing articles like this. I guess the haters need something to read too?

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by ineedasername on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:08PM (#28308349)
From talking and being open minded.

If you're listening to a comedian then your mind should not be open to any scientific statements that person makes or medical advice they give.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by achillesheels on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:11PM (#28308899)
So civilized experts are infallible? Please.

“Mind opening leads to compassion.” -Lao Tzu, Tao te Ching, 16

“The sage deters those who know too much from going too far.” -ibid, 3

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by ineedasername on Thursday August 26, 2021 @01:31AM (#28311055)
Sure experts can make mistakes. Which is why it makes an enormous amount of sense to avoid taking the opinions seriously from people that are not even experts because they are significantly more likely to make mistakes based on incomplete knowledge or poor understanding of it.

Imagine drowning: If we were talking about expert lifeguards vs. some random beach goer and you had to choose which would try & save you, would you choose the expert lifeguard or the random person?

And sure, Lao Tzu may be right about compassion. It's also irrelevant in this discussion.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by achillesheels on Friday August 27, 2021 @10:39AM (#28328393)
Yet what qualifies one as an expert? How would you be able to judge?
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by neither_color on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @06:04PM (#28307717)
Every influential social network already has disclaimers with links to authoritative information about C-19 for those who choose to inform themselves.

"Visit the covid 19 information center to learn more"

These are all over and post on Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, etc whenever certain keywords trigger it. I think this is not enough. We need to replace all right of center entertainment with videos of Dr Fauci reminding us to wash our hands, wear masks, get our shots and do the right thing by staying home. Not enough people are getting this message.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by dntrkv on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:52PM (#28307570)
Yeah that's Joe's classic defense. He's part of the "Intellectual Dark Web" (lol...) and he tries to have serious discussions and opinions on important matters. But as soon as someone points out how stupid and misleading some of his takes are, he falls back on the "I'm just a comedian" excuse.

Like someone else pointed out, Bill Burr is exactly what you describe. He's a comedian that discusses these topics but never gives the illusion that he is somehow qualified and someone that should be listened to. Joe does.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by jollybean on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:54PM (#28308757)
It's fair that the 'just a comedian' excuse should not work - but - it's fair to say 'he's just an podcaster with discussions of varying seriousness mostly for the purposes of entertainment'.

The overwhelming majority of his content is along those lines, to the point wherein you really have to scrape to find scare quotes. I mean, it's easy to Google because of supposed controversy, but really disagreeable stuff would be hard to find lest you to have to actually sit down and listen to him.

I wish he took a slightly different tact on vaccines (i.e, at the end of every show say 'Folks, it's 100% choice, but vaccines are safe, I've taken, everyone I know has, make the choice for you, your family and community, that's all, goodnight' kind of sign-off), but I don't think he's in condemnation territory either.

All of this said, I'm not sure how he is received in different cultures around the world where he might have influence we're not aware of.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by dntrkv on Thursday August 26, 2021 @10:43AM (#28315582)
> but - it's fair to say 'he's just an podcaster with discussions of varying seriousness mostly for the purposes of entertainment'.

I think that would be fair, if he didn't constantly insert himself into these culture battles and debates we are having as a society. If he just hosted guests to get their perspective, that would be one thing. But he actively pushes his own ideas. He's established himself as not only a source of news, but also a "voice of reason" for many of his followers.

Saying that he gets a pass because he's just there for entertainment is a cop-out. That's the same excuse Fox News uses for their "opinion" segments (most of what they air).

I also think you might be underestimating how many people base their opinions off of Joe.

Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by coryfklein on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @06:48PM (#28308178)
I've listened to 4-5 Joe Rogan episodes and not once got the impression that he was trying to be a comedian. Now I may be an idiot, but I don't think I'm _exceptionally_ idiotic compared to most folks who might come across his content.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by labster on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:39PM (#28307420)
Comedy is a profession. Professionals should take their job seriously. Just because the product is fun and games doesn’t mean social responsibility ends.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by nradov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @06:05PM (#28307730)
Comedy is an occupation, not a profession. Actual professions have specialized training, a defined body of knowledge, ethical standards, and a formal certification process. For example: law, medicine, teaching, architecture, accountancy. Comedians have no more social responsibility than any other random person. There's no comedian's guild that's going to kick out a comic for being irresponsible.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by frosted-flakes on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:09PM (#28307038)
JRE is not a comedy show though.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by rtkwe on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:31PM (#28308545)
Yeah he's not making a comedy podcast and often for his wilder guests like Alex Jones when confronted will say he's "fact checked" a claim. The fact check only extends to skin deep, one claim about coronavirus the fact check was that the article Jones was referencing existed nothing beyond that because it was a misinterpretation of a misinterpretation and completely wrong.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by tych0 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:03PM (#28306965)
Seems like GP might be talking about Joe Rogan.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by Alupis on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:06PM (#28307005)
Joe Rogan is a professional comedian, among other side gigs like his podcast and commentating UFC fights.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by didibus on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:52PM (#28308742)
I don't believe he does comedy anymore. He's pretty much a full-on podcast host now.
Re:Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence by colinmhayes on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:10PM (#28307046)
Joe's anti mask bullshit has caused people to die. Yea, I'd like him to take that seriously.