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Re:Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire by dagw on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:30AM (#28298934)
I'm quite interested in what made Einstein great, his work on physics. I have zero interest in his failures in his non-physics personal life.

Then you probably should be reading about his work in a science text book rather than a history book. For history books, the background and context of the people and events is as important as the events themselves.

Re:Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire by WalterBright on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:57AM (#28299361)
You have a point, but my meaning is I will not adversely judge his accomplishments by listing his failures in other aspects of his life.

How Steve Jobs treated his daughter, for example, is between him and his family. Diminishing his business accomplishments because of that is simply small-minded.

Re:Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire by saiya-jin on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @09:45AM (#28301599)
That's your perspective, which is fine and dandy but that's not everyone's view. I for a change am interested in whole picture, not just nit-picking parts of humans to idolize and glorify them.

If I should respect someone's opinion or success in life, well that respect needs to come from someplace. And in my eyes its just harder to earn it compared to your viewpoint - excellence in 1 singular aspect isn't cutting it.

There are properly awesome people out there through and through, in private and public alike, and those deserve my full respect. The others, not so much.

Re:Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire by WalterBright on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:33PM (#28307336)
> There are properly awesome people out there through and through, in private and public alike, and those deserve my full respect.

Or they've just managed to successfully hide their feet of clay, or you've just decided that you like their awesomeness so much you're going to overlook their peccadilloes.

Name any accomplished person, and you'll find haters.

Re:Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire by edmundsauto on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:12PM (#28304118)
It kind of sounds like you’re prioritizing how his work benefitted you, over a judgement of whether he was a good person. That’s reasonable to me, although I disagree!

Huge impacts are complicated, but being a good person is something I expect of everyone. If a person cannot be empathetic and kind to others around them, in my estimation, they have failed at their purpose here on earth.

Re:Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire by WalterBright on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:43PM (#28307479)
> It kind of sounds like you’re prioritizing how his work benefitted you

Jobs hasn't benefited me much in any significant way. I've never been an Apple fanboy, never worked for Apple, never got rich off Apple stock, don't care much for Toy Story. I have an Apple mini, but used it only for porting D to it.

But I enjoy real life rags-to-riches stories, and Jobs is one of them.

> If a person cannot be empathetic and kind to others around them, in my estimation, they have failed at their purpose here on earth.

When Jobs passed, he left behind a lot of people who loved him (I'm not talking about fanboys, but people who were his friends and family.)

I recently attended the memorial of a close friend who died. Nearly a hundred people showed up, all trading stories about him. He left behind quite a lot of people who loved him, too.

Re:Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire by mjcohen on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:52PM (#28307577)
But the events and background would not be significant unless the events happened.