Re:Deno on MDN
by sieve on Monday August 23, 2021 @06:51PM
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> wrt Java
Not just Java. Python, Ruby, Node etc suffer from the same problem. And I am talking as an end-user here.
I once downloaded something based on one runtime which then proceeded to download another runtime which it needed to run one little script. There are programs out there that have node/npm as a dependency.[1] People are crazy.
> your 3 listed reasons make a very argument for "a normal compiled language"
One of my hobbies involves writing compilers and parsers.[2][3] I have tried a lot of "normal" languages and have stuck to Java (in spite of its excessive verbosity) for work reasons. Some languages I cannot tolerate for aesthetic reasons.
For now, there is no alternative to TypeScript.
> you wrote software 2 ways: shellscripts and Java. You replaced them with...any entirely new interpreted language(JS)
I used to run a mixed-environment (Windows + Linux) and a lot of glue code that drove other software had to be written twice (sh/bash + cmd/bat) before WSL came along. That problem has disappeared.
I also used to write a lot of tools (servers and cli apps) in Java. Some of those I have moved over TypeScript-on-Deno.
> I'm not denigrating JS/deno/node/whatever
I used to look down on JS a decade or so back. My experience with Rhino and now Deno changed that. There is a lot of stuff I do now which I simply would not do if I have to fire up an entire Java project to do.
Not just Java. Python, Ruby, Node etc suffer from the same problem. And I am talking as an end-user here.
I once downloaded something based on one runtime which then proceeded to download another runtime which it needed to run one little script. There are programs out there that have node/npm as a dependency.[1] People are crazy.
> your 3 listed reasons make a very argument for "a normal compiled language"
One of my hobbies involves writing compilers and parsers.[2][3] I have tried a lot of "normal" languages and have stuck to Java (in spite of its excessive verbosity) for work reasons. Some languages I cannot tolerate for aesthetic reasons.
For now, there is no alternative to TypeScript.
> you wrote software 2 ways: shellscripts and Java. You replaced them with...any entirely new interpreted language(JS)
I used to run a mixed-environment (Windows + Linux) and a lot of glue code that drove other software had to be written twice (sh/bash + cmd/bat) before WSL came along. That problem has disappeared.
I also used to write a lot of tools (servers and cli apps) in Java. Some of those I have moved over TypeScript-on-Deno.
> I'm not denigrating JS/deno/node/whatever
I used to look down on JS a decade or so back. My experience with Rhino and now Deno changed that. There is a lot of stuff I do now which I simply would not do if I have to fire up an entire Java project to do.
[1] https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/nodejs/
[2] https://github.com/s-i-e-v-e/ut
[3] https://github.com/s-i-e-v-e/sxml