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Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by rayiner on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:15PM (#28280619)
You’re absolutely wrong about the last point. The people raising risks to childhood development from masking are serious people making serious arguments: https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/article/mandatory-masking-of-sc...

This is as an article by medical professors at USC and Stanford:

> At the same time, the long-term harm to kids from masking is potentially enormous. Masking is a psychological stressor for children and disrupts learning. Covering the lower half of the face of both teacher and pupil reduces the ability to communicate. In particular, children lose the experience of mimicking expressions, an essential tool of nonverbal communication. Positive emotions such as laughing and smiling become less recognizable, and negative emotions get amplified. Bonding between teachers and students takes a hit. Overall, it is likely that masking exacerbates the chances that a child will experience anxiety and depression, which are already at pandemic levels themselves.

I don’t know if you have young children, but facial expressions are a huge part of communication. My kids are constantly looking at my face to for “is this okay” signals. Kids learn to look at facial expressions of peers to understand what they’re thinking and feeling. There’s just tons and tons of research on this.

Masks for kids isn’t like masks for adults, where you can say “well even if they don’t work there’s no harm.” What we don’t have is research showing that wearing masks has persistent negative effects on kids, but based on what we do know that’s a real possible harm that has to be weighed against the possible benefits of masking.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by rcpt on Monday August 23, 2021 @05:07PM (#28281960)
> My kids are constantly looking at my face to for “is this okay” signals

Nobody's expecting you to wear masks at home.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by spookthesunset on Monday August 23, 2021 @05:13PM (#28282038)
Whats your point, that doesn't invalidate the argument at all.
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by rcpt on Monday August 23, 2021 @07:08PM (#28283202)
Your argument is that kids *might* have trouble developing social cues because facial expressions are hidden behind masks.

But, even with masks on at school, your kids have plenty of unmasked time at home.

This is one reason why, after 18 months of masking, there is still no data supporting your argument.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by spookthesunset on Monday August 23, 2021 @08:03PM (#28283616)
Where is your data that they don’t have long term developmental effects from wearing masks and missing facial cues? Eh?

It isn’t my job to prove anything. Y’all want to force my daughter to wear a mask to attend a public school you better have a hell of a lot of evidence and data to back it up. You need to address each and every criticism and support it with solid research conducted over years of time.

None of that exists and all criticism no matter how valid is met with gaslighting, being called a right wing fool, and name calling. Which says to me there is no solid justification for kids wearing masks besides partisan politics and tribalism.

Y’all are signing my kid up to be your unconsenting laboratory experiment, which is highly unethical and straight up immoral.

I’m not the one pushing kids to forcefully wear masks. You are. It’s disgusting and one of the worst things we’ve done. Almost no European country masks their kids. A handful of blue states are basically alone in forcing kids to wear masks at school. Which really underscores what is really going on, and it ain’t “science”.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by ABCLAW on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:04PM (#28284014)
>Where is your data that they don’t have long term developmental effects from wearing masks and missing facial cues? Eh?

Asking someone to prove a negative when they indicate there is no positive evidence pointing towards the assertion you're making isn't a 'checkmate' retort.

Negatives are much harder to prove than positives. You aren't being gaslit.

Maybe take a step back and calm down. Saying things like:

>I’m not the one pushing kids to forcefully wear masks. You are. It’s disgusting and one of the worst things we’ve done.

Is probably too emotionally charged to result in a good dialog, if that's what you're looking for.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by spookthesunset on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:42PM (#28284238)
Damn right I’m emotional. Y’all are gaslighting me and trying to bully my daughter into wearing a mask at school. I love my daughters smile. She should show it and not hide it behind a mask. You better have proof it doesn’t fuck her up. It’s so morally disgusting I’d rather not say exactly what I think of people who gleefully want to force kids to wear a mask and write it off as “no big deal” or “my kid doesn’t have a problem”. Suffice so say let’s go with “monster”.

The entire burden of proof is on you people trying to make this massive deviation from normal. Not me. You have to support your arguments with more than telling me I’m emotional or blowing it out of proportion. Because I have a right to be massively emotional and pissed off. I am fully within my rights to defend my daughter from what I perceive as a great harm. And y’all have no right to tell me how to feel.

Seriously. It’s abuse. You mask people are super abusive. Giant bullies using your loud voices, mockery and name calling to drown out anybody with valid criticisms.

So to the “force kids to wear masks” people here, put up or shut up. Show me proof it won’t fuck my daughter up and show me proof it is actually going to benefit her. And if you can’t provide that proof than go bugger off, I’ll yell at you, the administration and my dumbass governor and his unelected health “experts”. My daughter is more important than any of y’all’s unfounded mandates.

Because near as I can tell there is absolutely no benefit for the actual child wearing a mask. It’s all for giving the appearance of protecting adults, who have a choice to be fully vaccinated. Which is so immoral and so wrong, again, I’ll refrain from stating exactly what I think of the people pushing for it.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by ABCLAW on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:10PM (#28284411)
>Damn right I’m emotional. Y’all are gaslighting me and trying to bully my daughter into wearing a mask at school.

No one is gaslighting you, nor is asking you to discuss things in a civil manner 'abuse'.

If you assume everyone discussing this with you are doing so in bad faith despite their best efforts to be reasonable, you don't really keep the door open for any new perspectives.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by spookthesunset on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:07PM (#28284705)
Yes because your way is the correct way, right? Anybody who disagrees is a dirty, alt-right mis-informed trump fucker. Right? Might as well just say it.

We made dramatic, massive social changes virtually overnight and continued them for more than 1.6 years. Why is it so hard to imagine that smart, well intentioned people might have a difference of opinion from the narrative we’ve all had shoved down our throats? Eh?

Just magically every single person who is smart and well meaning obviously has to support masks, lockdowns, school closures, and everything else. Otherwise they are a dumb stupid misinformed “them”.

It’s absolutely absurd thinking. The arguments made to force this nonsense on people represent some of the worst attributes of humanity. Gaslighting. Abusive. Bullying. Shaming. Narcissistic. Unscientific and completely intellectually dishonest.

Seriously. Knock it off. Y’all should be ashamed of yourself.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by ABCLAW on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @03:13AM (#28285923)
>Anybody who disagrees is a dirty, alt-right mis-informed trump fucker. Right?

Not at all, but that doesn't mean everyone who disagrees is discussing the matter in a civil manner.

I've only posted to bring attention to a flaw in your logic, as well as to comment on the emotionally hostile manner in which you've been replying.

Just take a step back and calm down; people don't seem to agree with your positions and you're taking it as a personal attack. Engage with people in good faith and discussions will be more fruitful and less emotionally taxing.