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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by Infernal on Monday August 23, 2021 @01:31PM (#28279231)
> Presumably, a trivial software update down the line could expand its ambit to locally stored files.

And backing up one level, this is why I’m finally working hard to take control of my devices and data from companies like Apple. This most recent episode shows that “a trivial software update” such as the one in iOS 14.3 can introduce this on-device scanning where non existed before. We knew it was possible of course, but now we have a clear cut example of it. They’ve lost my trust and that’s that.

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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by MrWiffles on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:00PM (#28279621)
> [...] They’ve lost my trust [...]

Exactly how I feel. I used to cautiously kinda trust Apple's so-called "commitment" to privacy, but this change just shows us that any such promises are purely theater.

Now that the damage is done, I doubt it can be undone, especially in my case. My opinion on Apple's credibility has crashed through the floor. In my opinion, they're now as untrustworthy as Google or Facebook.

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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by istingray on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:07PM (#28280524)
For me it's a step further. I cannot trust any company for more than privacy theater. Apple was simply the last to fall.

I'm starting to look at companies to see if they meet these must-haves:

1. E2E encryption

2. Open source hardware and software

Everything else is "nice to have". The current options out there are missing a lot of "nice to haves", but they will get better. I'll be a vocal customer telling them what I want.

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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by istingray on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:04PM (#28280480)
"They’ve lost my trust and that’s that."

Same here. There's a finality to this, closure.

I'm done reading about it, nothing more I need to say about Apple. I just purchased a System76 laptop and am ditching my MBP. I've been a Mac Addict for 20 years and now I've outgrown Apple. Privacy is a human right.

What I'm wondering now is "how do I replace my iPhone, AirPods, and iPad?"

Ask HN: Do you use Purism, PinePhone, or Fairphone? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28216287

Ask HN: Do you use a Linux-first laptop? (System76, Librem, Dell XPS Dev Ed) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28216287

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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by aeronaute on Monday August 23, 2021 @07:01PM (#28283146)
Me too. Not a huge Mac user, but I use my iPad and AirPods a lot.

I haven't tried them, though the Sony ear buds look like a great option to AirPods: https://www.sony.com/lr/electronics/truly-wireless/wf-1000xm...

As far as the tablet goes... I dunno. I haven't tried an android tablet and I'm not too keen on it. Maybe a Surface? The iPad is damn good at what it does...

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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by istingray on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:33PM (#28284805)
The biggest convenient of AirPods for me is how damn easy they connect and disconnect. Wonder if there's a way to support that on other devices and platforms. It's a dream.

And yeah, iPad...

Pinephone has options: https://pine64.com/product-category/tablets/

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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by mbjdesign on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:29PM (#28280008)
“Trust” is entirely my issue with Apple too. I spent some time - and even wrote a post on my site - trying to clarify my thoughts and the steady erosion of trust seemed to be what I most object to. I too am trying to take control and responsibility for the computers I use now. Proving tricky, but baby steps…
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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by smoldesu on Monday August 23, 2021 @05:18PM (#28282113)
Just read through your blog post, there's plenty of great insights on there and I appreciated someone being so thoughtful and tactful with their response. As a Rust developer, I fully encourage you to push through and learn the language: I've walked a few tenured web devs through the language, and they're always surprised by how strongly typed and simple everything is once you understand the syntax. Truly one of my favorite languages to work with!

As for 'alternatives' like you listed towards the bottom, I fully recommend setting up your own Nextcloud instance. It's a really versatile little thing, capable of hosting your photos/documents/music/whatever from a decent online interface (or WebDav, if you're a nerd.)

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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by istingray on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:09PM (#28280548)
Care to share the link to the post on your site?
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Re:Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud ... by smoldesu on Monday August 23, 2021 @05:07PM (#28281958)
Not that person but is this it?

https://madebyjamie.design/articles/2021-08-20-advocating-fo...

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