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Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by PartiallyTyped on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:10AM (#28275979)
How does covid transmit to wild animals like deer that have almost no interactions with humans ? The transmission chain must be very long. I'd appreciate any links or resources to read more.

Perhaps we can learn to be more mindful of our interactions with other animals, wear masks in public spaces or public transport, and hopefully WFH becomes a permanent option.

It seems that I stepped on many nerves, please, feel free to disagree or argue.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by mr_overalls on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:31AM (#28276321)
> how does covid transmit

It seems likely that they were drinking sewage-contaminated water. Ingestion of contaminated water is the source of a staggering variety of illnesses for both humans and animals. Souce: I work in environmental monitoring.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by MichaelZuo on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:47AM (#28276584)
Which towns in Canada are dumping untreated sewage into the water? As far as I'm aware every province has an environmental ministry that doesn't grant exemptions from sewage treatment. So if it's still ongoing...
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by eloff on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:05AM (#28276906)
I don't think that's perfectly done. I was hiking on the North Shore in Vancouver and there's a sign over a stream warning about untreated sewage. If it's a problem in the one of the biggest and wealthiest cities, I can easily see it being an issue in smaller towns.

In very rural areas, especially on reservations, I believe water and sewage treatment is an ongoing issue.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by alex_c on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:05PM (#28279703)
Most towns do, occasionally - overflows happen. Article is from 2018 but I assume nothing has radically changed since then.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ont-enviro-report-1.4...

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by steve_adams_86 on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:07AM (#28276938)
In my city we JUST started treating our sewage: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-sew...
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by MichaelZuo on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:09PM (#28284404)
Thanks for the info, that is genuinely surprising. And Victoria is not some poor town either. I guess there wasn't much incentive to improve given the consequences of inaction were dumped literally on someone else's doorstep.
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by voxic11 on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:08AM (#28276946)
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/many-cities-still-dump-r...

That's from 2009 but it seems unlikely to have been completely resolved since then given the scale of the issue (200 billion litres a year).

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by MathMonkeyMan on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:31PM (#28284169)
This might be specific to very old cities, but New York City has a combined sewage and storm water system. Sewage ("black water") and rainwater from the streets goes through the same output processing. When it rains a lot, the system can't cope, and the water (sewage and all) is discharged into the Atlantic.
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by shkkmo on Monday August 23, 2021 @02:41PM (#28280157)
AFAIK, most of the cities on the west coast of Canada dump untreated sewage into the ocean.
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by rossdavidh on Monday August 23, 2021 @01:07PM (#28278906)
As to "how does covid transmit to wild animals...", I think it is an excellent question, but I don't think we have a definitive answer. Clearly there is something about the transmission we don't understand (which suggests why current measures to halt the spread such as lockdowns, masks, etc. don't seem to work well).

As for the "stepped on many nerves", I think your comment was interpreted as meaning "we should stay at home and wear masks forever", whereas the general patience for such measures is wearing thin. My guess is that part of the reason for a rising rate of violent crime in the U.S. in the last twelve months is simply more people with rising frustration, such that they are more willing to resort to violence.

By the way it appears that white-tailed deer in the US have now also been found to have antibodies likely indicating covid-19 exposure: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.29.454326v1....

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by PartiallyTyped on Monday August 23, 2021 @01:34PM (#28279280)
The replies I received are mostly insufficient or very handwavey.

Interactions with humans transmitting the Delta variant, in very extreme (NB shortest) cases need upwards of 50-60 seconds, where common transmissions need longer. Which suggests that people need quite long 1-1 interactions with multiple animals to spread it, which to me appears very unlikely.

This belief is based on research that supported that covid was unlikely to happen until the first super-spreader event in the wet market.

Furthermore, given the symptoms observed in humans, if we are to assume similar symptoms in the wild animals, then odds are these animals become easy(er) pray, which reduces odds of mass transmission. Finally, even if wild animals spend a lot of time in 'close proximity', they are constantly out-doors and in much larger distance than humans sitting in public transport, which suggests there are super-spreader "events" or viral-sources that dump virus particles on wild animals and allow the virus to enter the population.

So I do agree that there may be something we are overlooking, perhaps related to waste-water, but this is why I am asking. Even if it doesn't matter anymore wrt covid, it matters for the future.

As for the people that misinterpret the noun 'option' accompanied with the adjective 'permanent', they need to understand that the ability for those willing to WFH, will help deal with covid, reduce road congestion, gas emissions, time wasted in commute, and ease measurements. I am not advocating for permanent lockdowns or anything alike. But it is common knowledge that flu infections have reduced significantly, and masks can help deal with smog in cities, as is done in cities in Asia.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by gls2ro on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @02:40AM (#28285772)
> Furthermore, given the symptoms observed in humans, if we are to assume similar symptoms in the wild animals

I am not a biologist, nor a doctor, but I think this assumption is a little bit too much. We know that coronavirus does not create the same symptoms as the ones observed in humans for some animals (see bats for example) as their immune system is not like ours. So the conclusion: "symptoms in wild animals are similar with humans" is probably false.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by PartiallyTyped on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @03:44AM (#28286062)
In pets[1]:

- Coughing - Sneezing - A runny nose - Weepy eyes - Vomiting or diarrhoea - Mild breathing difficulties - High temperature - Reduced appetite

https://www.pdsa.org.uk/taking-care-of-your-pet/pet-health-h...

Furthermore, if the corona virus does not exhibit the same symptoms which are a consequence of an infection of the respiratory tract, then transmission will be very different and probably significantly lower which does not fit the data, i.e. mass infections in the wild.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by dahfizz on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:31AM (#28276315)
> How does covid transmit to wild animals like deer that have almost no interactions with humans ?

I've been within a few feet of wild deer plenty of times in my life. Humans have a lot more interaction with wild animals than you would think once you move outside of urban areas.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by onlyrealcuzzo on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:09AM (#28276974)
There's literally a market in Brian Head Utah where a bull moose hangs out on the front porch most of the day. I'm sure there are plenty of "wild" animals with petting-zoo-like relationships with random people. This can't be the only one.
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by erhk on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:55AM (#28277801)
That sounds like an exciting video once it gets realized
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by q1w2 on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:29AM (#28277359)
You are assuming that it was humans that infected the deer, while it could have easily been another wild animal.

Wild animals are not commonly tested for covid-19, but those that have been have seen widespread infection. ...which means most populations of mammals and possibly birds are infected as well.

...so the deer could have caught it from any number of other animals in the wild - or more likely, from their droppings.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by tootie on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:56AM (#28277824)
Per CDC, "three out of every four new infectious diseases come from animals"

https://gothamist.com/news/germs-spill-from-animals-to-human...

Think about it like online ads. Even though you've never clicked on one and don't know anyone who clicks on them, the market is worth hundreds of billions. There are so many novel pathogens floating around the world that if humans are exposed to 0.01% of them we'll still see regular epidemics and occasional pandemics.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by jandrese on Monday August 23, 2021 @03:15PM (#28280621)
It would only take a handful of transmissions to a community to have something like COVID spread like wildfire through the deer population. They may not interact with humans much, but only one carrier could infect several others and then that cascades to the entire population. Deer don't get vaccinated and don't wear masks.

The good news is that even if COVID is running rampant through the deer populations they shouldn't pass them on to humans very often, so if humans are good at identifying and stopping isolated outbreaks then we can live with the risk.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by nomel on Monday August 23, 2021 @05:10PM (#28281999)
> but only one carrier could infect several others and then that cascades to the entire population

Which is exactly how we got here.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by N1H1L on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:36AM (#28277459)
It could be simply from a human being to their dog, who chases a deer and passes it on.
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by Miner49er on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:26AM (#28277288)
People interact with deer all the time. They are all over neighborhoods in certain areas, people hunt them, they often are hit by vehicles, etc.