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Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by sleepysysadmin on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:54AM (#28275726)
>That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

Our government loves to pat themselves on the back having 80% vaccination. Which is more than double the usual flu shot rates. Yet here we are with a 4th wave, talk about complete lockdown.

At what point do you say that our approach is no different than the usual flu season? In my opinion that was long ago.

So why? Technically don't know the answer. You can look at it from liberties point of view. That the reason these restrictions haven't lifted has nothing to do with covid.

Another theory which seems legit. Vaccine doesnt work. If you follow texas gov abbot. TONS of articles slamming him for getting covid. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/17/texas-gov-abbott-who-banned-...

Texas Gov. Abbott, who banned mask and vaccine mandates, tests positive for Covid

But wait... Abbott is fully vaccinated. That's a huge issue. You can't slam him banning masks and all that. Vaccination is vaccination.

Article title should be "Texas Gov. Abbott, who is fully vaccinated, tests positive for Covid"

But that's where the politics of the situation come in. It's very evident covid-19 is completely influenced by politics. Which brings you right back to liberties point of view.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by lamontcg on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:17AM (#28276072)
> Vaccine doesnt work.

80% vaccine efficacy. We were hoping for 50% so that's actually pretty good.

This is on par with "we had a snowstorm so climate change isn't real" levels of logic.

Abbott has a mild case and isn't sucking on ventilator.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by sleepysysadmin on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:32AM (#28276342)
>80% vaccine efficacy. We were hoping for 50% so that's actually pretty good.

CDC says 94% efficacy. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm

Immunocompromise is 6%. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/blog/immunocompromised-... - Estimates are that about 6.2 percent of adults ages 18-64 in the U.S. are living with weakened immune function,

The vaccine is 100% effective for healthy fully vax people. That 6% is concerning and will differ amount countries im sure.

>This is on par with "we had a snowstorm so climate change isn't real" levels of logic.

I find your analogy to be very telling. You have moved to another political issue that is quite divided along the same political lines.

>Abbott has a mild case and isn't sucking on ventilator.

Does abbott have a compromised immune system? Shrug?

Should we even discuss the possibility that covid testing has high false positive testing? That Abbott never had covid and his more recent tests only days later he tested negative.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by lamontcg on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:41AM (#28277546)
> CDC says 94% efficacy.

Published in May, using data from Jan-Mar.

Delta didn't exist.

> I find your analogy to be very telling. You have moved to another political issue that is quite divided along the same political lines.

I mean, yes. Science has become politicized and one side of the debate keeps making poor arguments.

> Abbott never had covid and his more recent tests only days later he tested negative.

He's vaccinated. Ct loads of viral mRNA drop more sharply if you've been vaccinated. Having it clear fast is expected.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v...

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by dragonwriter on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:02AM (#28275847)
> But wait... Abbott is fully vaccinated. That's a huge issue.

No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it.

> You can't slam him banning masks and all that.

Yes, you can. Even if schools weren't full of unvaccinated people, which they are, the existence of breakthrough infections would underline why banning mask mandates is a culpablr error.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by jdhn on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:44AM (#28276515)
> breakthrough infections were always expected

That isn’t the way it was portrayed. The way that it was initially portrayed by the media is that these would be 99% effective and that after getting the vaccine you could go back to normal.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by SpicyLemonZest on Monday August 23, 2021 @12:53PM (#28278710)
You could and lots of people have. The visibility of masks (literally in your face!) tends to distract people from this, but the vast, vast majority of Covid restrictions were revoked after vaccinations became widely available, including anything in the vein of "stay home" or "social distancing". In all of the US and I think a substantial chunk of Europe, it's considered safe as a matter of policy for vaccinated people to go wherever they'd like and do whatever they want.
Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by geofft on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:51AM (#28276651)
I mean, that's definitely not the impression I had after getting the vaccine (first shot March 24, well before anyone came up with the "Delta" name for B.1.617.2). I stayed home and wore masks just as much as I did before the vaccine. I knew the vaccine would make things safer when I did need to interact with other people, but also that it was hardly a reason to "go back to normal."

Maybe your problem is you listen too much to the mainstream media instead of doing research for yourself? The corporate interests are trying to get you to consume more and so they wanted to entice you with the prospect of "going back to normal" and consuming things you don't need.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by sleepysysadmin on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:20AM (#28276139)
>No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it.

That's not my understanding, I'm in IT and not a biologist or whatever. So perhaps you can explain to me.

A vaccine is something that boosts/helps the immune system develop protection against the disease.

Measles vaccine means nobody got measles until antivaxers started spreading measles.

Yes there can be a portion of society which does not have an immune system for the vaccine to help or boost and therefore the vaccines aren't useful and doesn't work. Percentages will change per country/society. However, someone fully vaccinated in my mind is someone who is never going to be infectious. Therefore prevents it.

>Yes, you can. Even if schools weren't full of unvaccinated people, which they are, the existence of breakthrough infections would underline why banning mask mandates is a culpablr error.

The problem with covid is that it clearly divides directly down political lines. Perhaps Texas guy is politically motivated and making bad decisions. The problem is the opposite as well. CNBC is clearly attacking when it's clearly unreasonable to do so.

I have no pity at all for anti-vaxxers who get covid. I'm not in the USA, nor do I care about Texas.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by raesene9 on Monday August 23, 2021 @11:24AM (#28277239)
Also not a biologist, but on the point of vaccines and whether they prevent the disease full-stop or just reduce the risk of serious illness, that's covered in the article.

My synopsis of that was that it was not expected (by the developers of the vaccines) that it would prevent people getting the illness, but that it would considerably reduce the risk of serious infection.

Some early trial results raised hopes that it would prevent people getting it, but with Delta that's not been borne out.

That said, in addition to reducing the risk of serious cases, it does also help reduce transmission as vaccinated people who get it, generally have less serious cases, which mean they are infectious for a smaller amount of time.

Re:The Coronavirus Is Here Forever by chitowneats on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:55AM (#28275754)
Greg Abbot even received a booster shot prior to infection.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-gov-gre...