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Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by api on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:34AM (#28275446)
Lithium is more abundant by far than lead. Global lead production is larger than current lithium production.
Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by BugsJustFindMe on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:40AM (#28275524)
It sounds like they're more concerned about Cobalt, Nickel, and child labor in the DRC.
Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by nicoburns on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:49AM (#28275661)
My understanding is that there are already battery chemistries without these elements (LFP batteries) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery, and while they're currently not quite as good as the cobalt/nickel batteries, they're not far off and they're expected to improve (and they're mainstream enough that Tesla is already using them in some of their cars).
Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by Reason077 on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:08AM (#28275938)
LFP does have somewhat lower energy density compared to nickel-based chemistries. But it also has excellent durability and and stability properties (long cycle life, no fires).
Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by api on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:55AM (#28275748)
Not sure about cobalt and nickel, but child labor is a problem for all kinds of resources and not just those that go into batteries. This is a political problem not a technical problem.
Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by BugsJustFindMe on Monday August 23, 2021 @10:08AM (#28275936)
> This is a political problem not a technical problem.

I don't think the article suggests otherwise. Political problems are part of the "how" of production.

Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by Reason077 on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:55AM (#28275756)
Elon Musk said recently that he expects much of the car industry will move towards to lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) cell chemistry, which contains no cobalt or nickel.

LiFePO4 has somewhat lower energy density compared to nickel-based chemistries, but significant cost advantages.

Tesla already uses LiFePO4 cells in many of its standard-range Model 3 vehicles.

Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by Reason077 on Monday August 23, 2021 @12:04PM (#28277968)
For those downvoting this, here is the source:

"Tesla uses no cobalt in the iron phosphate packs and almost none in the nickel-based chemistries.

I think probably there is a long-term shift more in the direction of iron-based lithium-ion cells rather over nickel ... I think probably we'll see a shift -- my guess is probably to two-thirds iron, one-third nickel, or something on that order. And this is actually good because there's plenty of iron in the world. There's an insane amount of iron. But nickel, there's much less nickel, and there's way less cobalt."

- Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Tesla (TSLA) Q2 2021 Earnings Call Transcript: https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2021/07/27/te...

Re:Electric Cars and Batteries: How Will the World Produce E... by Workaccount2 on Monday August 23, 2021 @09:37AM (#28275473)
Cobalt and nickel are the issue.