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Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by stickfigure on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:12PM (#28238015)
The fact that the employee can't publicize the windfall means that the gang has no incentive to pay them, either. The employee can't exactly complain to anyone that they got stiffed.

It's a sort of prisoner's dilemma problem - since the game won't be repeated with any single employee, and there's no communication between employees, the gang gets a better outcome in all cases by not paying.

I'd bet on the employee getting scammed too.

Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by aroundtown on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:21PM (#28238131)
I've worked with enough disgruntled employees to know that many of them would anything to hurt their company, even if there was no compensation for them. The secret is to hit them at a low point in their day.
Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by defaulty on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:38PM (#28241442)
> The secret is to hit them at a low point in their day.

You don't even have to time it perfectly. In six months, when they're most upset and seeking revenge they'll remember the email

Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by SerLava on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:16PM (#28238076)
The only way people would reliably help with the sabotage is if the group had a reputation for paying out. Kind of the same way ransomware works already- if nobody gets their data back, people will be advised never to pay
Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by csydas on Thursday August 19, 2021 @04:02PM (#28238635)
I strongly disagree based on my experience consulting and the countless articles you can find about this very situation happening prior to the rise of cryptocurrency and ransomware gangs. Disgruntled employees doing shift+delete on a critical directory after missing backups or rotating encryption passwords to gibberish on their last day is very common. (or of course both and more)

For me it's not hard to believe at all that someone who is already at a low point and motivated with malicious intent would read up on such an offer and think to themselves "I can screw my boss __and__ get a cool million in etc? Just for 'accidentally' uploading some ssh keys with a misplaced wildcard?"

Even before the covid pandemic, stress in IT was high and disgruntled employees doing damage on the way out was making headlines. Search 'Disgruntled employee destroys data' on google and check the date of some of the news articles. Here's one that made US national news in 2014 about how data theft was a trend.[0]

Whether or not there's a real payout is of no consequence it seems. I'm only able to immediately find articles about such incidents in the US and the UK, but I am fairly sure it's not limited to such locations, or that outsourced IT isn't just as vulnerable.

I've written it before on HN for other reasons, but people like to talk about new laws/standards/etc, but IT doesn't have problems that need legal solutions, as an industry, IT needs to improve discipline across the board and stop letting situations where one person can be so destructive happen. Too many places still run their IT like it's the 80's/90's where one or maybe two with absolutely control over everything. This leads to burnout first of all, which is horrible, but it also creates these bad situations of unregulated control in the first place.

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-warns-of-rise-in-disgruntle...

Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by 908B64B197 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @04:30PM (#28238968)
> I've written it before on HN for other reasons, but people like to talk about new laws/standards/etc, but IT doesn't have problems that need legal solutions, as an industry, IT needs to improve discipline across the board and stop letting situations where one person can be so destructive happen. Too many places still run their IT like it's the 80's/90's where one or maybe two with absolutely control over everything.

I mean, it's like having the neurosurgeon at the hospital retire/quit for a software company to lose it's IT.

The issue is, many software companies don't know/think they are a software company.

Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by stickfigure on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:19PM (#28238102)
Unless some employees get caught, there's no way for the group to acquire this reputation. Certainly they can't be trusted at their word ("we pay out" - sure you do).
Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by dasil003 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:24PM (#28238183)
So pay out, then anonymously rat out their own inside man to the feds?

Ugh feels so dirty even saying it, I guess that's why sociopaths win so often.

Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by bink on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:31PM (#28238256)
"we paid that guy and he got caught"

"we paid this other guy and he got caught"

"come join us!"

Re:Wanted: Disgruntled Employees to Deploy Ransomware by teachrdan on Thursday August 19, 2021 @04:36PM (#28239040)
There is a huge incentive for ransomware gangs to pay out to employees: So they can hack them again.

Many companies that get hacked get hacked again anyway. With the help of an insider, an attacker could more effectively around any new countermeasures, too.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/lightning-does-strikes-twice-i...