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Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by gonzo41 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:16AM (#28233441)
Spend 5K on a really nice commuter electric bicycle. You'll be doing a solid for the Environment and you'll have an EV that makes you fitter.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by lordgroff on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:44AM (#28233732)
I live 50km from work now (thankfully looks like mostly remote forever, the COVID silver lining), but I used to bike to work before I had kids.

I don't know that I'd do it again. The number of avoided-death-by-split-second close calls that I racked up in about five years is just too high... Now that I'm a bit older and have children, seems irresponsible.

This is in a city with relatively developed bike infrastructure, including separated lanes in some places. (Some) drivers just don't give a damn, and while I wish it was different, I don't see it changing any time soon either.

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by rcMgD2BwE72F on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:24PM (#28235820)
This is so sad. We did not build cities for humans but for machines that, we thought, would serve humans well. We got it so wrong.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by fires10 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:24AM (#28233519)
My problem with 5K on an electric bike is the 50 mile commute one way to work in inclement weather.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by dshoemaker on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:37AM (#28233657)
I think the 50 mile one-way commute may be more of the problem here. I can't imagine traveling that far for work daily.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by neon_electro on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:34AM (#28233629)
Fair enough - doesn’t sound like you were ever the target audience for a commuter bike to begin with.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by dijit on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:39AM (#28233681)
The three most cycle heavy cities in Europe all get more rainfall than London.

(Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Malmö)

Something else is the problem. Maybe infrastructure or terrain.

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by bongoman37 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:22AM (#28233496)
If you have a kid that's not a workable solution, moreover, safety is a huge issue on 2 wheelers.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by acdha on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:31AM (#28233582)
I’ve taken my son on an e-bike daily since he was 11 months old - he loves it compared to being in the car. There are a range of products on the market handling up to 4 kids and with creature comforts like rain shields.

I use one of these: https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/electric-boda-boda/

A relative uses one of these in the Boston area, year round:

https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/472/gsd

A friend loves this for their family:

https://www.r-m.de/en-us/bikes/packster-70/

Not cheap, but an order of magnitude less than a car ($10k/year by AAA’s numbers) over the lifetime of the bike.

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by steve_adams_86 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:01AM (#28233930)
For anyone with a small commute I’d recommend this too. Our Yuba (spicy curry) has around 3000km on it over 2.5 years, is going strong, and I’ll still be commuting ~30km per week over the next year with it taking my 4 year old to daycare then going to work. I’ll likely continue commuting with him on it to kindergarten and perhaps early grade school.

It wasn’t cheap initially ($7000 CAD), but the cost per km drops enormously every year while the bike still rides as well as ever. The kids have all loved it, too. My youngest is disappointed when we drive places - he wants to walk or ride all year.

We do have a temperate climate which helps. Our cold days in winter are typically around 5 degrees outside of cold snaps, but even then we rarely dip below 0.

It’s a major quality of life improvement for us. They’re amazing grocery getters, you don’t get all sweaty on them, kids tend to love it, and they’re quite a bit easier to buy, maintain, and park than a car.

We went with the spicy curry because of its insane cargo capacity (we’ve used it for its full capacity many times, especially while bike camping), but you can spend far less if you don’t need to carry that weight.

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by acdha on Friday August 20, 2021 @09:31AM (#28245706)
Seconding everything you wrote, especially “It’s a major quality of life improvement for us”. When we visit friends & family who live in typical car-centric neighborhoods we’re reminded of just how much time they spend sitting in cars, which is especially rough on kids. The bigger house & yard just doesn’t seem worth an extra couple hours a day sitting strapped into a car seat.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by steve_adams_86 on Friday August 20, 2021 @01:31PM (#28248848)
We've come to a similar conclusion. We're fairly priced out of our market when it comes to the yard and picket fence situation - with 3 kids, a 4 bdr home would cost us around 1.5M CAD to get something we'd actually enjoy livinh in and reasonably close to work. It would be old - maybe from the 60s or 70s. A similar sizes home we could afford would induce a 1-2 hour daily commute for my wife. Meanwhile, a condo near work that will fit us is around $500k less... Sort of affordable.

When you weigh the pros and cons though, the condo can be alright. It's not my ideal at all but the things like the yuba can make that lifestyle so much more livable. More time with the family, more time to get out of the home if we want to, quick grocery shops, less money on commuting, etc - I think it could be alright. We fortunately live in a small city where you're only an hour drive from nature, so I suppose we could turn that into our "yard".

The last thing I want is my kids sitting in a car for 30-60 minutes every morning on their way to school. Or on a public transit bus, transferring and rushing around so they can sit in school for 6 hours only to bus back the same way. I know plenty of kids do it and they're fine, it's all fine, but it's not what I want for them. I wouldn't want it for myself. There's something to be said about shedding ideals (especially with living situations) but letting my kids be kids is one I don't want to compromise on.

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by carlmr on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:20AM (#28233465)
My problem with dropping 5K on a bike is that they get stolen
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by dont__panic on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:25AM (#28233532)
In the US city that I live in, cars get stolen an awful lot too. And not just puffers (cars left with the keys in the ignition to warm up on a cold day) -- I've heard of plenty of locked recent-year cars stolen from private locked garages with no keys at all. I believe car theft is up at least 500% from pre-covid.

And that's to say nothing of the opportunistic catalytic converter thefts if you park your car on the street overnight.

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by paunchy on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:14PM (#28235688)
Most of these thefts utilize "relay attacks" that simulate the key being in close proximity to the car, using directional antennas to interrogate the key that's sitting in the house and then relay it back to the car. The solution is to disable the proximity feature, but that's inconvenient.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by carlmr on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:02AM (#28234721)
Where I live I'd guess the rate is 100 bikes stolen for every car.

With a bike you don't expect it to be there after locking it in the street for more than 15 minutes. I don't know anybody personally whose car was stolen.

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by rcMgD2BwE72F on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:26PM (#28235843)
In France, all bikes must now be marked to prevent theft https://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulations/nieuws/2021/01/fran...

Is there similar plans in the US or at least some states?

Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by yourusername on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:45AM (#28233741)
High end bike parts are also in short supply. Popular electric bikes also have months long waiting lists.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by alistairSH on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:15AM (#28234094)
FWIW, my local bike shop has a pile of electric-assist commuter/townie bikes ready for riders. Supply chain for bikes is definitely broken right now, but they're out there - you just have to look and wait and look some more.
Re:Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40% by wonderwonder on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:44AM (#28233739)
This is great in theory but not so great when you are food shopping for a family or you need take the kids to get new shoes.