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Re:Reverse-engineering a vintage power supply chip from die ... by colejohnson66 on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @09:18PM (#28229270)
Maybe someone else can chime in, but two questions:

* How do you know if the base silicon is N-doped or P-doped? (does it matter?)

* Why are the layouts of NPN and PNP so different? I’ve seen many die photos and you can (usually) easily tell which transistor is which.

* Lastly, are there any guides on learning how to decipher a die shot into a “schematic”? How do I know which colors mean what? (they vary between IC)

(if it’s not obvious, I’m still learning about this stuff)

Re:Reverse-engineering a vintage power supply chip from die ... by kens on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:23PM (#28229642)
The book "The Art of Analog Design" discusses the layouts of components in detail. It says (p280) that theoretically you could make a PNP transistor like an NPN transistor in reverse, but the characteristics of the dopants don't work well for this. Boron diffuses rapidly so it doesn't work well for a buried P layer. And boron only has 1/3 of the solid solubility of phosphorus. The other issue is that the mobility of holes is only 1/3 that of electrons in silicon, so there's an inherent disadvantage for PNP.

I'm kind of guessing that the substrate silicon is P-type since that seems to be more common. As for the colors, each IC is different. There are charts relating colors to thickness, but that doesn't really help me.

Re:Reverse-engineering a vintage power supply chip from die ... by msandford on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:01PM (#28229505)
N type and p type have different resistance so to get a balanced transistor you need different area proportions of each. If memory serves that is.
Re:Reverse-engineering a vintage power supply chip from die ... by userbinator on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:15PM (#28229593)
Holes have lower mobilty than electrons, so P-doped areas must be larger for the same equivalent resistance.