Re:Convert Apple NeuralHash model for CSAM Detection to ONNX
by tvirosi on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:58PM
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It might have to do with the output possibly being a probability vector as opposed to a binary hash. The whole thing is thus differentiable and optimizable (if a dog image was incorrectly placed in the bad hash bucket it might only be on the border of it while the real CP corresponding to the hash is found at the probabilistic maxima of the hash bucket). Just guessing.
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Re:Convert Apple NeuralHash model for CSAM Detection to ONNX
by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:04PM
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That isn’t correct, nor is it credible.
See: https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Security_Threat_Model...
Re:Convert Apple NeuralHash model for CSAM Detection to ONNX
by tvirosi on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:16PM
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Where am I supposed to look in that pdf to understand that it isn't correct or credible? It is certainly true that the model has differentiable and thus optimizable outputs.
Re:Convert Apple NeuralHash model for CSAM Detection to ONNX
by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @02:08PM
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Sorry - I posted that link in the wrong place.
Either way, if the claim is that it’s possible to reverse engineer CSAM from the hashes, proof is needed, and nobody has provided even a proof of concept.
The person I responded to was claiming it had been demonstrated. I asked for a link to evidence. You just made a hypothesis about how it might work. That’s not helpful.