Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?
by gjsman-1000 on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:10AM
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E2E with some scanning at the onramp is still much better than no E2E. If iCloud was compromised, your data is still safe, among many other reasons. If the US Military physically raided the data center and carted out all the hard drives, my data would still be secure. It's still a better alternative. It's not perfect by any stretch, but it's better than what we have now.
Also you are aware Google Photos, Facebook, etc. do scanning anyway and have for almost a decade?
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?
by twobitshifter on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:19PM
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Doesn’t Apple have a front door to change your phone at the FBI behest? Weren’t they already able to upload data (telemetry etc)? It doesn’t make sense to pretend that there was an existing state where Apple couldn’t get data off your phone if the FBI ordered surveillance.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?
by sigmar on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:52PM
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There was a huge court case about Apple refusing to update the OS of a particular phone that was in fbi possession in order for the fbi to see its encrypted contents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d...
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?
by withinboredom on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:42AM
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Yes, we are one warrant away from just sending all data to the FBI using this system.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?
by Spivak on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:49AM
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But this was already true! I don't get why this is the thing that's made people realize that they have zero control over their phones and that Apple could have any time in the last decade just uploaded all of your data to the FBI if compelled to.
What good is E2E encryption when they can scan your client with a backdoor? All Apple is doing with this hashing is giving themselves plausible deniability when this access gets abused down the road. "Oh we didn't know they would use those hashes to arrest those protesters, we couldn't have foreseen this"