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Re:Designing better batteries for electric vehicles by _ZeD_ on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:08AM (#28219040)
> Iterating on battery design is important but it's important to realize that existing batteries are already pretty good.

are you serius? do you really think it's "pretty good" the range electric vehicles have, compared to ICE ones, looking also at the added weight and the time needed to recharge / refuel?

Electric vehicles are not a fad, but the battery energy density it's still... in the "tolerable, at most" phase of the tecnology

just FYI I just buyed a plug-in hybrid car mostly because I don't think a electric only vehicle it's enough for today.

Re:Designing better batteries for electric vehicles by adrianN on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:15AM (#28219085)
EVs can cover almost all usecases for a large number of people. I think that counts as "pretty good", the main issue seems to be cost and lack of charging infrastructure for people without a garage.
Re:Designing better batteries for electric vehicles by h4vot on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @06:41AM (#28219521)
Husband got a Jag i-Pace a few months ago. 400 km range. Haven't even bothered to get the fast charging equipment installed yet at home just give it 240 volts at night.

Its never been under 50%. I think for the vast majority of city and suburban folk, 99/100 trips are not an issue.

Re:Designing better batteries for electric vehicles by sokoloff on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:19AM (#28221265)
I've driven (and overall enjoyed) a Nissan LEAF (pure EV) for the last 6.5 years. It's true that 99/100 of trips are not an issue, because many trips are short. Back/forth to work, back/forth to lunch, back/forth to sports, back/forth to the post office or grocery store.

Those quickly add up the 99% of trips (as measured by getting into the car and going somewhere). Those 1% of trips really impact your overall satisfaction with the car, though. I don't remember all the times the car effortlessly and nearly silently took me to work, but I do remember when I couldn't go to visit a friend or play in a softball tournament because my wife needed to use the ICE car for something and the LEAF couldn't do the trip. Or where we had to carefully plan who was going to take which kid to which activity and who was going to take the dog to her chemo appointment and in which car. If you "plan it wrong" in an ICE or hybrid, you lose 10 minutes. If you "plan it wrong" in a BEV, you lose an hour minimum (and more in a LEAF; mine has been DC fast charged twice since new, once before delivery and only once have I found and used a CHAdeMO in the wild).

I liked the LEAF (as the person who maintains our cars, I absolutely treasure it), but I suspect my next car will not be a pure electric. Teslas are more money than I choose to spend on a car. (Taycan is way more.) I'll probably end up with a 10-year old ICE car that will do everything I need for 20% of the purchase price, 30% of the insurance, and 150% of the marginal cost per mile, which is fine as we drive each car only about 3-5K/yr.

Re:Designing better batteries for electric vehicles by gameswithgo on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:35AM (#28221516)
You might be able to get a used Tesla by then. Shops are proliferating that can repair battery packs for way less than replacement which offsets a lot of the risk.
Re:Designing better batteries for electric vehicles by sokoloff on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:40AM (#28221593)
Tesla's got their service information and parts supply far too locked up for someone like me to ever own a used Tesla.

Could be a good option for people who prefer paying someone else to maintain their cars (which is most people, of course).

Re:Designing better batteries for electric vehicles by gameswithgo on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @09:10AM (#28220514)
Very close to good enough, if the Tesla tabless stuff works out, I think we will be at a point where it is fine for close to everyone when it comes to range/charge time.

But teslas are premium, will be some time for things like a Nisan leaf to get the ~400 mile range + fast charge times.