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Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by j_walter on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @07:08PM (#28215824)
How will someone lower prices when the government has done nothing but print money in the last 4 years...let alone the free cash giveaways in the last 18 months. People are using that money to buy bigger or more houses...thus driving up the price of real estate.
Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by sanxiyn on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @07:22PM (#28215934)
It's mostly not inflation. Inflation-adjusted house price is also up.
Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by j_walter on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @07:30PM (#28215988)
Depends on your definition of inflation...

>In economics, inflation (or less frequently, price inflation) is a general rise in the price level of an economy over a period of time. When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services; consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy.

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by api on Thursday August 19, 2021 @08:03AM (#28232752)
Good point, which is why wages have to go up.

Eventually everyone will make six figures and a loaf of bread will be $16 but housing will be rationally priced again with starter homes at $500k.

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by rtpg on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @08:35PM (#28216442)
yes the ... one-time $3400 checks and a major economic contraction. That definitely caused 10+% price increases on $500k+ homes.

Beyond everything else, this is just mathematically absurd.

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by missedthecue on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:22PM (#28216731)
There was also boosted unemployment. In some states people were taking in over $4000 per month in unemployment. That's a lot of money to not work.
Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by forz877 on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:41PM (#28216858)
It's still not enough to dispute the parent's comment.

There isn't anyone poor getting rich off unemployment. It's not the reason for the housing boom.

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @02:50AM (#28218317)
You could buy houses in cash in half the cities in Ohio for 6 months unemployment + 3 stimulus checks. There are plenty of places like this in the US - Alabama, Mississippi, etc.

Sure - that is not the reason house prices in Marin are up 30%.

That's probably got more to do with central banks pushing up equities >30%. And probably because when you cut mortgage interest rates by 1 percentage point (which they did), you can afford ~15% more house.

In real terms - monthly payments for new housing purchases are down.

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by forz877 on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @09:03AM (#28220463)
Sure, you could buy a house in the extremely small cities of Ohio with little to no jobs or economic future. I doubt many are. Almost all the population growth in the US is in major metro areas. If those cities are close to commute to Cleveland, Columbus, or Cincinnati, sure.
Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @09:53AM (#28220937)
You could literally buy houses in Cleveland for less than $30k. 6 months of unemployment plus stimulus in Ohio was >$25k.

This is even more true for Detroit.

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by forz877 on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @10:45AM (#28221677)
I live in the rust belt. No one is buying those 30k homes. Why? They're unmaintained, falling apart, need completely rewired, completely new plumbing. The housing stock in the rust belt is OLD. This is what makes prices "so cheap" to you lot looking in from the coasts.

But the reality is no one is buying the discount properties that need major work. They're in run down neighborhoods with vacancies everywhere and sit on the market for months. They're almost unsellable - many are held onto with the hope that a neighborhood will get gentrified. Cities like Detroit and Cleveland see Pittsburgh's resurgence and think that will happen there. But for every expensive Pittsburgh neighborhood there's a Clairton and McKeesport.

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by wincy on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @10:10PM (#28217070)
I don’t know how but my sister and my brother in law bought a brand new Harley in the middle of the pandemic, while they were both unemployed and collecting benefits.

Pretty discouraging to me, I feel like a sap that I kept working. Why do they get twice as much assistance when my wife doesn’t work because we decided to have her be a stay at home mom?

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by rtpg on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @02:10AM (#28218166)
Even $20,000 is not $500,000.

The obvious answer to your last question is not that your sister and BIL should not get assistance, but that your wife should also get more assistance. We don't do enough to support people across the country. 2020 showed some rare aid to people in a reasonable fashion (at least for a couple of months). We can do more of that.

We have fiat currency after all, let's take advantage of it!

Re:Will the rich world’s worker deficit last? by j_walter on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:48AM (#28222953)
You think that's the only money that got issued? The loans that went to companies was absurdly abused and had almost no oversight. Trillions of dollars went into the economy in a matter of months...