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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by FartyMcFarter on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @12:06PM (#28211398)
Israel has vaccinated 60-70% of its population, which isn't enough for herd immunity.

As for your comment specifically, "the title is enough" isn't a very convincing argument for anything.

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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by native_samples on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @01:52PM (#28212750)
That is the exact threshold that was previously being presented as good enough for herd immunity.

But herd immunity stats are all made up anyway. Fauci admitted the US value for herd immunity threshold was being picked based on opinion polling, not science.

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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by lobocinza on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @11:44PM (#28217558)
It depends on effective R that is affected by a lot of dynamic factors like social distancing and R0 (new variants keep popping). Herd immunity for Covid is bullshit.
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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by zibzab on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @12:10PM (#28211452)
No dogma. Most people are just tired of anti-vaxers and their excuses.

Edit: this went downhill rather quickly :(

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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by logicchains on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @12:19PM (#28211562)
Someone is as much anti-vax for not wanting the mRNA vax as someone is anti-Linux for not wanting to run the Gentoo nightly build as their operating systemm.
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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by ceejayoz on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @05:33PM (#28215123)
Nah. It's like Bill Gates in the 1990s writing a blog post about the latest Linux distribution and how dangerous the viral GPL within it is.

You know they'll say it about any vaccine, and have been, and that the criticisms are disingenuous and frequently based in deliberate misconceptions.

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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by majormajor on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @01:59PM (#28212860)
> But just explain me one thing please. If you trust the vaccine, why are you afraid of me, if it works you will be protected right?

I care more about the people who a vaccine can't help (hopefullly I don't have to give you citations of why no existing vaccine we have for any disease can perfectly protect everyone) than I care about your decision to declare not getting a vaccine the "freedom!!!" hill you want to die on.

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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by ceejayoz on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @12:40PM (#28211867)
> I have become a pariah in my own country (France), I am now forbidden to vote, go to a hospital (unless it's an emergency) , go in a shopping mall and go in a restaurant.

None of this is true; you have the option of presenting a recent negative test result as an alternative.

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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by jmnicolas on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @12:58PM (#28212106)
All of it is true since I refuse to be tracked like some cattle. This is a matter of principle. I'm a human being, not some cog in an inhuman system.

Where's the logic to let people use the metro without any QRCODE but they can't go in a shopping mall?

Anyway, soon the tests won't be free anymore. To have the same "freedom" as a vaccinated person would require to spend about 300€ per month.

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Re:Moderna Is About to Begin Trials for HIV Vaccine by tadfisher on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @01:52PM (#28212758)
You could also get vaccinated.
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