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Re:End of the Line for Uber by tiahura on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:17AM (#28209499)
Having done work for a few cab company owners, Uber never made sense. Many of these guys, the owners, probably make $75k in a great year - and Uber’s genius path to billions was to undercut them? Just image search “cab company owner” and see if you can find the billions.
Re:End of the Line for Uber by JohnJamesRambo on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:28AM (#28209597)
I really just think the play on all these sorts of companies was just to get max amount of money in this era of intense amounts of dumb investor money before it dries up. The math on WeWork etc finding profitability never made sense. The investor money IS the end goal.

I didn’t know things were already this bad for Uber. Looking like a big short on the stock would pay off nicely soon. I’ll leave that to the big guys.

Re:End of the Line for Uber by laurent92 on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:42AM (#28209740)
> The investor money IS the end goal.

“But you said you would never betray our customers! —Yes, because the customer is the shareholder.” – You know it’s bad when the series Silicon Valley mocks one’s business model for a joke.

> The math on WeWork etc. finding profitability never made sense.

“Don’t worry, we lose on every unit but we make it up on the quantity.”

Yes, we were in a bubble. More seriously though, Kondratief cycles are very long cycles, 50+ years, and the phase II is land grab. Economics didn’t make sense because investors are betting that they can extort customers later on.

Example: If WeWork succeeded to make building management code as difficult as construction code, they could have evicted all companies who try to maintain their own workspace (“Too bad, he didn’t know every 4th extinguisher has to be blue to be seen in case of red light event”) and WeWork would have rented companies their own workspaces. For that, you need to both dominate and modify the legal framework to prevent small actors from giving birth.

Re:End of the Line for Uber by JohnJamesRambo on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @12:41PM (#28211881)
Hadn't heard of Kondratief cycles, it's an interesting idea, thanks for sharing.
Re:End of the Line for Uber by sokoloff on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:26AM (#28209574)
If a medallion owner can earn $75K per medallion per year, it seems there's a lot of possible value in trying to take $5-10K/year times the number of full-time medallion equivalents while avoiding the cost of buying the medallion and car [and maintaining the car] in the first place.
Re:End of the Line for Uber by JohnJamesRambo on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:28AM (#28209603)
They are talking about the owner of the whole cab company making 75k.
Re:End of the Line for Uber by prepend on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:37AM (#28209684)
No, I don’t think so. That’s earnings for a single medallion.

Cab companies might own hundreds if not thousands of medallions.

For example, a single private equity firm owns about 4,000 New York medallions [0].

Most medallions are owned in pools by private firms.

[0] https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/04/01/private...

Re:End of the Line for Uber by michaelt on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @10:11AM (#28210056)
Medallions sound like a truly bizarre and unfair system.

And if Uber operated exclusively in New York, we could accept they had a profitable-sounding business model: bypassing that system.

But given that Uber has expanded into many other cities and countries, 99% of which don't have medallions, it's pretty clear that merely bypassing the medallion system isn't their business model.

Re:End of the Line for Uber by mattzito on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:37AM (#28209687)
I’m not sure which cab company owners you are thinking of, but the one I know is worth in the $XXm range from a major US city. Uber has hurt his business a lot, and he’s totally unwilling to acknowledge that maybe taxicab companies offering terrible experiences has something to do with it.
Re:End of the Line for Uber by hprotagonist on Tuesday August 17, 2021 @09:30AM (#28209625)
> Just image search “cab company owner” and see if you can find the billions.

I keep getting all these photos of Michael Cohen