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Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by sofixa on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:01AM (#28197084)
I'm not sure I'd hold him responsible. He isn't the one that ordered the torture, and we don't know what he was told ( did he know the guy was getting tortured? did he know he wasn't any threat?)
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by JasonFruit on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:20AM (#28197203)
That's part of the point of the system: it makes blame hard to assign.
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by bserge on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:31AM (#28197277)
That's the beauty of any complex system made by humans. The system decides, no human is responsible (except for the occasional scapegoats).

Society is built on systems and everyone submits to them. If it works for the majority, it's good enough.

The sad part is that it is possible to change the various ancient systems into something better, more dynamic, more responsive, that would work for more edge cases.

We just... don't. Few dare question the status quo and even fewer try to change it.

Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by hef19898 on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:27AM (#28197250)
He was foreign minister at that point and refused to take a German citizen back, instead he left him there. Until pressure was to high, and "public opinion" wasn't that much focused on islamist terrorism anymore. In a nutshell, a low point in Steinmeier's career, and in post-WW2 German foreign policy. Not that Germany was the only country doing this kind of shit, so.
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by prh21 on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:44AM (#28197368)
Formally M. Kurnaz was not a German but a Turkish citizen.
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by hef19898 on Monday August 16, 2021 @12:25PM (#28199870)
Cannot edit anymore. Kurnaz is a Turkish citizen, he was born in Germany. I mixed that up from memory.
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by croes on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:46AM (#28197386)
Kurnaz is a turkish citizen.
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by woodpanel on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:25AM (#28197231)
As much as I dislike Steinmeier, I agree. We also don't know how much pressure was exerted on him.
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by chopin on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:36AM (#28197311)
That does not exonerate him. He could have stepped back and make the pressure public.

Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger did step back when she did not agree with a legislative proposal.

Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by woodpanel on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:55AM (#28197463)
Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger was less important and probably less threatened. Otto Schily instead, then interior minister of Germany, alledgedly was fearing for the security of his loved ones, caused by threats made against him.
Re:Guantánamo survivor on the war on terror’s failure by chopin on Monday August 16, 2021 @09:15AM (#28197652)
> Otto Schily instead, then interior minister of Germany, alledgedly was fearing for the security of his loved ones, caused by threats made against him.

I never heard of this. Do you have any sources for this?