Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by jay_m on Sunday August 15, 2021 @06:30PM
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Not quite clear why this was flagged to death, but I vouched for it as it seemed a reasonable response to the request.
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Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by akersten on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:01PM
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> It’s a blatant copyright violation.
That's debatable. As a matter of public interest and safety I say it's fair use to post the news article here.
Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by jdavis703 on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:02PM
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Fair use is never an entire news article. If the poster took one or two sentences that would be fair use. But that’s not what this is.
Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by bjt on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:15PM
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Fair use is more complicated than that. I see no hard line rule from the courts saying that a whole article couldn't be shared under fair use.
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/
But also, it's a Facebook post. The author's not selling subscriptions to this content. He's not charging per download. He put it in the public square himself, and in the comments he even positively comments about it being shared more widely. I would be very surprised if the author felt as strongly about this as you do.
Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by tgsovlerkhgsel on Monday August 16, 2021 @04:17AM
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Not really, it's technically a copyright violation just like SciHub is.
Whether the rightsholder would consider this a problem or not is another question.
Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by yojo on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:14PM
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Honestly hadn't considered that angle. I assumed the writing was intended for public consumption, but you're right, I should have checked.
I'm attempting to contact Bruce, though it seems I'm past the edit window on the original comment.
Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by elzbardico on Sunday August 15, 2021 @08:15PM
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Don’t worry. You’ve done nothing wrong. You just copied a public Facebook posting in a comment for a HN posting for said article. At no moment you violated any copyright or license.
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Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by jdavis703 on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:01PM
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It’s not Facebook I care about, it’s whoever wrote the post. I’m a photographer. When I find people pirating my work from social media sites I send them takedown notices. If not wanting people distributing my work makes me a corporate stooge, then so be it.
Re:San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene (2...
by Nextgrid on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:18PM
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There's a difference between art and a statement of facts. What we're talking about here is mostly a statement of facts, written with the objective of informing the public instead of profit (the fire department doesn't rely on online "exposure" to fund itself).
Bruce Dembecki August 12, 2019
San Jose Fire had an impossibly complex incident scene that will be the subject of countless Battalion Chief exams in the future...
An SUV collided with a large bendy bus, pushing the bus off the road and into a high voltage power pole, which came down on top of the bus. Power lines are down across the bus and the SUV, and the streets.
At the fire station next door there is a large bang and the power goes out... crews looking to find out what happened discovered they couldn’t open the apparatus bay doors...
Switching to manual mode the doors at the fire station are opened, but they discover they can’t get their equipment out because the power lines are across the apron of the fire station.
Manually open the back doors... the electric gate at the rear of the station is closed... plans for power loss at the station involve manually exiting through the front of the apparatus bay, time was lost as crews figured out how to open the back gate...
Meanwhile the 11 people on the bus can’t leave the bus because of the power lines... but the SUV has burst into flames, and the fire is spreading to the bus... passengers can’t stay on the bus because of the fire... they can’t get off because of the electricity...
Power remains a problem and fire crews are able to get a 1.5” line on the SUV from 30’ away... the SUV fuel tank starts dripping, the fuel ignites... the water stream from 30’ away pushes the burning fuel under the SUV... to the bus...
The bus is a diesel electric hybrid with 900V batteries on the roof, smashed from above by the power pole, being attacked from below by fire... fire crews can not fight the bus fire until a bus mechanic arrives with information on how deal with the batteries... the bus mechanic arrives, but can’t go near the bus until PG&E neutralizes the power from their lines...
Somehow, everyone was removed from the bus and there were no serious injuries.
Hours later the major traffic artery remains completely closed as PGE deals with the power... when they are done fire will look at the bus and the hazmat team will analyze the damage to the bus electrical storage systems... eventually the bus and SUV will be removed and the scene turned over to PG&E to repair the power system before the road can be reopened...
Elapsed time 4:03:00 and counting, we still can’t get at the battery systems on the bus...
It’s going to be a long afternoon - did I mention it’s 98 degrees outside?