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Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by throw0101a on Sunday August 15, 2021 @10:46AM (#28189171)
AFAICT, IPv4 addresses are currently going for about US$ 40/IP. At some point if ISPs run out of addresses and need more, it may be cheaper to simply implement IPv6 with a one-time, up-front project than having to go back to the well/market for more IPv4 blocks.

Similarly for hosting providers: as IPv4 addresses get more expensive, they may have to start charging their customers more and more for each one, at which point the customers may simply go only-/mostly-IPv6.

Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by hannob on Sunday August 15, 2021 @10:49AM (#28189198)
That's not how it works.

A single ISP can't do anything about the situation. They can provide IPv6 to their customers, but they still need IPv4 so their customers so they have a usable internet connection. It doesn't help them at all.

Which is part of the problem here: As long as IPv6 is not implemented by everybody the people who do implement it have no advantage.

Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by throw0101a on Sunday August 15, 2021 @11:07AM (#28189353)
An ISP probably already has IPv4 addresses, but needs more addresses for basic connectivity. They can become IPv6-only and then use their IPv4 block/s for CGNAT. The money would go to either buying more addresses or more CGNAT.

This is how a lot of mobile/cell telcos already work. A T-Mobile presentation from 2018 (PDF):

* https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG73/1645/...

Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by ipv6_or_nat on Sunday August 15, 2021 @11:14AM (#28189415)
Running an IPv6 core and offering IPv4-as-a-service doesn’t really make you IPv6-only.
Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by throw0101a on Sunday August 15, 2021 @05:28PM (#28192695)
I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Here's a dude from T-Mobile explaining how they have (in 2017) over ten million end-customer devices without any IPv4 addresses assigned:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNMNglk_CvE

For reaching services that are IPv6 only they use(d) DNS64 (with and without 464XLAT).

Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by ipv6_or_nat on Monday August 16, 2021 @05:16AM (#28196280)
IPv6-only as a term has been heavily abused. A truly IPv6-only network has no access to IPv4 resources. If it does, it isn’t really IPv6-only and relies upon IPv4 addresses and NAT to work.
Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by ipv6_or_nat on Sunday August 15, 2021 @11:05AM (#28189327)
The problem with the above is that it isn’t a viable solution.

You cannot just deploy IPv6, take your IPv4 ball and go home.

ISPs will still need those IPv4 addresses, no matter how much they cost. ISPs may delay by deploying CGNAT, but once those IPv4 addresses run out there is no other option than to get out your checkbook or scale back your business.

Likewise with hosters. There is no choice but to use IPv4, damn the cost. It simply isn’t viable to go IPv6-only, as IPv4 is where the money/customers are.

This will not change until IPV6 somehow reaches critical mass.

Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by throw0101a on Sunday August 15, 2021 @11:16AM (#28189428)
> ISPs will still need those IPv4 addresses, no matter how much they cost. ISPs may delay by deploying CGNAT, but once those IPv4 addresses run out there is no other option than to get out your checkbook or scale back your business.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. At some point going IPv6-only and paying for (CG)NAT64 may be cheaper than trying to buy more and more IPv4 addresses. ISPs would already have IPv4 addresses, but they'd simply use them for reaching the 'legacy' Internet, and they wouldn't be assigned to people's routers WAN interface.

> Likewise with hosters. There is no choice but to use IPv4, damn the cost.

It will probably not be the hosting company paying for the IPv4, but rather it will be the end customer, and they may not want to pay.

The first address may be free, but if you want multiple, then you could be charged for the 'extra' ones. Depending on the number of public services needed, some people may find it cheaper to use the IPv4 address(es) on the front-end of a load balancer and have their actual system be IPv6.

Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by ipv6_or_nat on Sunday August 15, 2021 @11:40AM (#28189634)
You are confusing IPv6-only and running an IPv6 core. Those are not equivalent.

>It will probably not be the hosting company paying for the IPv4, but rather it will be the end customer, and they may not want to pay.

Of coarse it will be the hosting company paying for the IPv4 addresses as they will be the ones owning them.

Of coarse the end customers will complain and not want to pay, but pay they will as they have no other choice.

It’s neither here nor there whether the end customers run IPv4 or IPv6 internally, it’s the public IPv4 addresses that matter.

Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by kaliszad on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:26PM (#28193512)
There are btw. IPv6 only hosters out there, e.g. https://ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/ but other are offering IPv6-only as a cheaper option. Yes, it is not totally mainstream yet.
Re:India is leading IPv6 migration with 61.67% adoption by ipv6_or_nat on Monday August 16, 2021 @04:28AM (#28196053)
I know there are IPv6 only hosters out there.

However, as I stated previously, they are only for niche uses such as hobby projects or internal services, not for use by the general public.

They will remain so until IPv6 reaches critical mass.