Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

Re:Apple's child protection features spark concern within it... by bostonsre on Thursday August 12, 2021 @10:55PM (#28164873)

Yea, I agree. I see so many comments where people view the issue is black and white and that apple is clearly in the wrong. Yes, privacy is a great ideal. There are absolute monsters in this world and there is zero chance that no apple employees have brushed up against those monsters. I would ask that every single developer step back and think about putting themselves into a situation where software that you write is being used by monsters to horribly scar children around the world and ask yourself what you would do. Saying the moral and right thing to do is to protect the privacy of all of your users including those monsters just cannot be done if you are not a sociopath that only cares about profits and has glimpsed the horror that is out there. Fuck if I would write any code that would make it easier for those monsters to exist or turn a blind eye towards it. It may be a slippery privacy slope but I don't see how people that have glimpsed the horror would be able to sleep at night without stepping out on that slope.

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Re:Apple's child protection features spark concern within it... by salawat on Thursday August 12, 2021 @11:39PM (#28165122)

Easy.

When I was young, I was not effectively spied on. My activity and digital trail were ephemeral, and hard to pin down. i wasn't the subkect of constant analysis and scrutiny. I had the privilege of being invited into the engine of an idling train to share an Engineer's drinks along with my parents and no one batted an eye.

There were pedophiles then too. guess what? We didn't sacrifice everyone's right to privacy. We didn't lock more and more rights out of the reach of minors. You didn't need a damn college degree and an insane amount of idealistic commitment to opt out of the surveillance machine. I could fill most prescriptions, even out of State.

We didn't fear the monster. They were hunted with everything we could justify mustering, but you weren't treated as one by default.

I imagine that maybe, somehow, tomorrow's youth may get to experience that. Not live in fear, but in appreciation of the fact that we too, looked into things absolutely worth being afraid of, but resisted the temptation to surrender yet more liberties for the promise of a safety that will never manifest. Just change its stripes.

Those are the best nights.

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Re:Apple's child protection features spark concern within it... by specialist on Friday August 13, 2021 @10:47AM (#28169550)

> We didn't sacrifice everyone's right to privacy. We didn't lock more and more rights out of the reach of minors.

No. My elders and society just denied the monsters existed. And punished any one who talked about it.

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Re:Apple's child protection features spark concern within it... by drunkpotato on Friday August 13, 2021 @07:59AM (#28167852)

Actually, as long as the monsters are powerful and connected, they are well-protected, then and now.

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Re:Apple's child protection features spark concern within it... by californical on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:08AM (#28165969)

I think there will always be a small number bad people in the world, that will always find a way to be bad.

I know they’re out there in the world, but I leave my home anyways, because living my entire life curled up in my bed in fear would be a sad and short life.

I’m more afraid that people will lose the ability to be happy because they’re so full of fear and skepticism that they don’t form meaningful relationships, relax, experience life.

I’m also more afraid of what can happen when a small group of people are allowed to dictate and control the lives of many, justifying it by pushing fear. Then it’ll be more than a small group of abusers harming a small group of people (in this case, child abusers). It becomes a different group of abusers (dictators) harming the entire population through their dystopian politics.

How many people, including children, died when a group of dictators used fear & skepticism in the 1930s to push an agenda that ultimately led to WWII and concentration camps?

We need to be extraordinarily careful that we don’t try to save a very small number of lives at the expense of many lives in the future, as a result of policies that we put in place today.

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