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Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by gridspy on Thursday August 12, 2021 @10:40PM (#28164742)
Lets say that only 1% die. 20% needed high-end medical intervention to not die.

Once the infection rate hits a threshhold, the entire 20% die.

Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by nradov on Thursday August 12, 2021 @11:10PM (#28164965)
Your numbers are way off. The CDC estimates that since the start of the pandemic the hospitalization rate has been 5% and the fatality rate has been 0.6%. Of the hospitalized patients only a fraction needed high-end medical intervention such as mechanical ventilation.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

The hospitalization and fatality rates are far lower now for vaccinated people.

Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by rstuart4133 on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:23PM (#28176894)
0.6% die, and some rather rubbery number end up with symptoms lasting from 6 weeks, or 6 months, or something. The rubbery number is sometimes quoted as 1/3 of people who enter hospital, which if 5% enter hospital would mean about 2% of the population die or are so incapacitated they can't work for some number of months. By comparison, just about everybody hospitalised for flu is fully recovered in 2 weeks. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/long-covid

2% is getting up there. Even if 75% avoid that fate by getting vaccinated, incapacitating 2% of the remainder will be enough to send us into a deep recession.

Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by josephcsible on Thursday August 12, 2021 @10:47PM (#28164806)
Source on your 20% number? That sounds really, really high.
Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by techrat on Thursday August 12, 2021 @11:07PM (#28164944)
For every person in the hospital due to covid is another person not able to receive care.

Hospital beds aren't unlimited.

ICU beds full? Someone has a heart attack? Well, sucks to be them.

That's the part of covid everyone is ignoring: it creates an additional burden on the health care system, hospitals that normally are booked solid for surgeries can no longer handle those cases due to the emergency influx from a pandemic spreading like wildfire.

Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by hnzix on Thursday August 12, 2021 @10:53PM (#28164855)
Hospitals hit capacity and run out of beds and ventilators. This is a hard threshold. Once you pass it, mortality goes through the roof.
Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by nradov on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:43AM (#28170384)
Running out of ventilators would have minimal impact on the mortality rate. Mechanical ventilation is currently only used as a last resort for <5% of hospitalized patients, and even with ventilators many of those patients don't survive.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/nhcs/intubation-ventilator-...

Beds can be added on a temporary basis. Availability of trained healthcare providers is the more relevant limit.

Re:AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immun... by josephcsible on Thursday August 12, 2021 @11:09PM (#28164960)
My point is even if hospitals were closed completely, it still seems unlikely that 20% of people who catch COVID would die from it.