Re:EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA Covid-1...
by effie on Thursday August 12, 2021 @08:31PM
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Yes much less likely sick, but that by itself does not mean much less likely getting infected. The recent data from U.S. and Israel show that vaccinated people get infected easily too.
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Re:EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA Covid-1...
by ajross on Thursday August 12, 2021 @08:43PM
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That's just wrong. Why do people keep claiming this? Consensus immunity for Pfizer against delta is still in the 60-80% range, which while less than the 95% measured against earlier variants is vastly higher than the unvaccinated. (Though to be fair this is hard to measure against the confounding background that the vaccinated tend to be better at other mitigation strategies too.)
Even the Israel data you cite, which is an outlier, measured 39% effectiveness, which is STILL twice as good as being unvaccinated.
Re:EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA Covid-1...
by effie on Thursday August 12, 2021 @09:06PM
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Those 80% and higher efficacies are against symptomatic COVID and hospitalization. Not against getting infected and getting infectious. This efficacy was high initially, but is reported to be decreasing, and currently at 40% for Pfizer [1]:
[1] https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-moderna-de...
Re:EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA Covid-1...
by ajross on Thursday August 12, 2021 @10:11PM
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That study is still an outlier. But I repeat, because you don't seem to understand the point: even if it's that low, and even if transmissibility is completely unaffected, it means that an unvaccinated person will spread TWICE AS MANY CASES as a vaccinated one. That's the difference between a pandemic and a contained endemic disease right there.
Get. Your. Vaccine.
Re:EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA Covid-1...
by effie on Friday August 13, 2021 @10:13AM
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40% efficacy for preventing spreading is quite poor. There are other strategies of similar or better efficacy for preventing spreading like limiting contact with people, using masks, vitamin D, being on ivermectin. If you were a marketing department of a pharma company selling vaccines for preventing spreading, you would not be very convincing.