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Re:Intel C/C++ compilers complete adoption of LLVM by qayxc on Thursday August 12, 2021 @08:12AM (#28155228)
> Android is a great example. Typical Qualcomm/Mediatek/etc. behavior: take a "stable" kernel, stuff it with custom undocumented drivers and junk, be stuck on that version forever.

I don't think that's such a great example in this context.

Qualcomm, Mediatek, etc. are hardware vendors after all. Software to them is a necessary evil, not a reason d'être or complementary tool (as it is for NVIDIA and Intel). Their customers fall in the same category - smartphone manufacturers want to sell units, not keep software up-to-date.

Re:Intel C/C++ compilers complete adoption of LLVM by jitl on Thursday August 12, 2021 @08:24AM (#28155340)
Intel and NVIDIA make their money selling hardware.
Re:Intel C/C++ compilers complete adoption of LLVM by qayxc on Thursday August 12, 2021 @09:01AM (#28155708)
> "NVIDIA is a software-defined company today," Huang said, "with rich software content like GeForce NOW, NVIDIA virtual workstation in the cloud, NVIDIA AI, and NVIDIA Drive that will add recurring software revenue to our business model."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technologyinvesting/nvidia-i...

It's a very similar story for Intel. NVIDIA and Intel are selling hardware because of their software portfolio. How many GPUs would NVIDIA sell in the HPC market if it wasn't for CUDA and the various support libraries around it?

Intel's non-client solution revenue was over 40% of their total revenue in 2020. This includes their (software-) AI solutions, applications, licence business and services. So Intel, too makes a significant amount of money from software and services around their software ecosystem.

Re:Intel C/C++ compilers complete adoption of LLVM by volta83 on Friday August 13, 2021 @01:07PM (#28171607)
> How many GPUs would NVIDIA sell in the HPC market if it wasn't for CUDA and the various support libraries around it?

We don't have to hypothesize about this. The HPC GPU market has multiple vendors, just look at how many HPC GPUs AMD or Intel are selling: AMD and Intel have ~0.8% or so market share. NVIDIA has >99%.

Pretty much every review of HPC GPUs states that AMD GPUs are both faster and cheaper.

So how come they don't sell?

The answer is software.