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Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by kgarten on Thursday August 12, 2021 @06:39AM (#28154529)
anything that interfere with droplet dispersion is better than nothing ... no? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwOwMsCc6NA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvO_QdO9eM

Seems basic to me ... If the droplets from me don't reach to the first person in the cinema I cannot infect them.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by belorn on Thursday August 12, 2021 @07:07AM (#28154758)
> If the droplets from me don't reach to the first person in the cinema I cannot infect them.

It would be nice if that was true. In a small study here in Sweden they tested for covid particles in the AC system, and found particles in every single place they tested. This in a major hospital where everyone are wearing masks, and where the AC is located in the ceiling. The finding was not what the researcher was expecting, especially not in the AC system located on the roof.

How much interference a mask has is determined by the leak rating, but for most surgical masks there are no protection for the finer droplets in coughs and sneezes.

In a similar style, people though initially that bath houses and saunas would be safe against covid because the large droplets in the humid air would drop quickly to the ground. Later it was generally agreed here that the conclusion was incorrect and all public bath houses and saunas closed. Like with masks, humid air might be better than nothing but you really do not want to be near a person who are sick unless you got yourself an air filter and face shield.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by kgarten on Thursday August 12, 2021 @10:09AM (#28156565)
Yes, that's the point masks are better than nothing. They might reduce the likelihood (without much of a negative impact). That's why we should wear them.

A vaccination also just reduces the likelihood you get covid. People can still get it and still spread it, even if they are vaccinated. It just reduces the likelihood and masks might do that as well ...

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by belorn on Thursday August 12, 2021 @11:32AM (#28157601)
Yes, through masks don't reduce the likelihood of infection in the same way like vaccinations. The vaccination significant reduce infection rate for the person who takes it. Any secondary effect on other people is the result of the vaccinated person not being sick. Mask on other hand might in a limited way reduce spread if the person who wear it is sick. Masks without intake filters has zero effect on the person who wears the mask.

Vaccinations also have requirements with generally 90%+ protection, while masks has anything from 0 to 90% effectiveness in filtering breath emissions. As a effective measure against covid, vaccinations are a much more effective and powerful tool.

After two years and in my experience, you can't have large gatherings and expect a low risks. Neither vaccines nor mask nor the combination of both can produce enough of an defense. 2m distancing, washing hands, and keeping human gatherings inside to an absolute minimum is the only way, and then follow up with mass vaccinations. I don't think given current scientific knowledge that one can cheat that process.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by timr on Thursday August 12, 2021 @12:58PM (#28158728)
Science is the history of people debunking ideas that "seem basic" to other people.

Those are called "hypotheses", and they're great. The next step is to find evidence that proves the hypothesis...and that's where we're stuck here.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by kgarten on Thursday August 12, 2021 @06:33PM (#28162469)
Science is the history of people seeing something basic and getting told by others that it's not true ... E.g. the earth is round. Yet, You can never prove a hypothesis just present more and more evidence.

My point: it does not hurt me to wear a mask and it might help people, so I will do it. It seems also that scientists who know more about this than me, support this idea. They might be wrong, yet even if they are the negative consequences are so low (I wore a mask for a couple of days ... ) that for me it's worth it.

When I hear Rand Paul, I hear the smuggness of "I know masks don't work" and sorry but we don't know that ... Saying this right now, is showing me that he does not understand science (we don't know, they might help) and that he does not have any compassion.

Fauci seems to have the better track record (seeing how he dealt with AIDS).

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by nickthemagicman on Thursday August 12, 2021 @08:47PM (#28163860)
Not driving a car might help people also.

Not leaving your house also might help people.

If it 'might help people' why not either of those options?

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by kgarten on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:20AM (#28166029)
Finally we are getting somewhere. I didn't drive a car and I was not often leaving the house in the last year :)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24115-7

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by nickthemagicman on Friday August 13, 2021 @08:31AM (#28168078)
Good you should continue to do that!
Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by kgarten on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:05AM (#28168362)
Sacrificing myself? lol ... Doesn't really make sense.

You might want to read the guidelines or stay on 8chan? ... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by nickthemagicman on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:52AM (#28168822)
"it does not hurt me to wear a mask and it might help people,"

This is a very slippery slope argument. I'm not sure you fully thought it through.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by kgarten on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:47PM (#28177062)
I thought it through. I don't say you have to do any of it. It's my personal decision. If that's a slippery slope for you, i don't get it.

1. there is sufficient evidence that masks (as one measure) can reduce infection (especially together with other measures: vaccinations, social distancing etc.)

2. I decide for myself that I will do what keeps other people save. I didn't tell you what I think about politics or what

Did I tell you to wear a mask? No. I just told you what the scientific consensus on mask wearing is. you are free to do whatever. Eat a burger and directly go swimming ... I don't care. Just don't tell me "Swimming after a full meal is the best you can do." "Driving without a seatbelt is super secure." If you do that I will just tell you that you are wrong. That's all I did.

Where's your slippery slope?

You tell me that I am wrong and I should change my opinion, seamingly based on your political believes (see the political blog you posted before). You could not bring one decent study that underlies what you believe in.

Again, I'm super happy to say: i'm wrong. you are right. I don't want to wear a mask all day out of the house. Yet, what you are offering are no scientific arguments (anectodes and QAnon Stuff (the blog you posted had QAnon conspiracies on it). Again, you can believe what you want, yet don't expect me to change my opinion based on conspiracy theories.

Re:YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days by nickthemagicman on Sunday August 15, 2021 @03:37AM (#28186914)
Masks work in healthcare settings due to proper mask usage and training.

The problem is at the community level.

The current world mask usage is: "Wear a filth rag on your face until the waiter brings the breadsticks".

This could actually be doing more harm than good.