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Re:DoD Awards $1B Contract to Peraton to Counter Misinformation by godelski on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @05:50PM (#28148258)
Alternative? Not manipulating people and being honest?

Here's an example that includes Climate Change.

On the right they deny its existence (they used to believe in it, then didn't as Obama came in, and are turning around again albeit slowly). News and politicians say the scientists are lying and taking money from "Big Green." They then promote coal, oil, and their interest groups. The right is too easy to pick on here because it is just so blatantly anti-science.

On the left there's definitely a significantly closer resemblance to what the scientists are saying, but they ignore what is convenient. There's only really discussions about what is popular. There's minor talk about carbon taxes. There's little to no talk about carbon capture, and when there is they only talk about reforestation (reforestation is great but suspected to not be enough, specifically fast enough) (scientists actually want us to be carbon negative, not zero carbon). There is little discussion outside of electricity and vehicles (which is only 54% of contributions from America). The idea that the crisis is purely political and can be solved politically is still perpetuated, not recognizing we need major scientific advancements (e.g. better batteries, smarter grids, new zero carbon energy sources, inventions in heating, significant reduction in clean energy production that can be exported to developing countries and be cheaper than coal for them --this one is huge actually--, etc). Politicians here blame Republicans for not being able to pass any bill but still are not united on their own front. They still aren't acting with anywhere near the same concern the scientific community has about the issue.

But the real kicker is: why are we listening to politicians about science anyways? I also don't want Bill Nye talking about climate change on TV I want climate scientists. I don't care if it is boring and an unfamiliar face (Fauci was unfamiliar not long ago).

Re:DoD Awards $1B Contract to Peraton to Counter Misinformation by kadoban on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:07PM (#28148436)
And when they're not honest, because of course they're not going to be, and never have been in the history of history. Then what?
Re:DoD Awards $1B Contract to Peraton to Counter Misinformation by godelski on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:50PM (#28149729)
> because of course they're not going to be, and never have been in the history of history.

I wouldn't say that in the past they have been as polarized. In fact you can actually measure this by looking at node connections.[0] But we need to hold politicians accountable. That's the mechanism to keep them in check but we're also failing at that.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/23/a-stu...

Re:DoD Awards $1B Contract to Peraton to Counter Misinformation by kadoban on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @09:34PM (#28150582)
Yes, we're living in a particularly polarizing time. I'd suggest that's probably not random, and it's probably not due to typical human behavior of politicans. Were politicians of the past paragons of virtue? In large part of course not.

So what is different now?

My pet theories for suspects are: social media algorithmically enhancing negative emotions and behaviors, a relative lack of enforcement of white-collar crime (especially amongst the rich), large media conglomorates (not a new phenomenon really, but the current ones are a bit different than past) and wealth inequality.

Re:DoD Awards $1B Contract to Peraton to Counter Misinformation by godelski on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @10:25PM (#28150965)
> Were politicians of the past paragons of virtue? In large part of course not.

No one is claiming they were. This isn't a binary thing, it is a spectrum. So what's different now? Where they lie on that spectrum.

> My pet theories for suspects are:

You and pretty much everyone else. This is extremely common. But these are also pretty common things in history. Though again, spectrum. We're in one of the most unequal times in America. Rich rarely got persecuted, ever (hell, remember the Pinkertons?). Rumors and misinformation used to spread faster than horses could travel. So let's instead look at what similarities there are to historical examples.

Re:DoD Awards $1B Contract to Peraton to Counter Misinformation by kadoban on Thursday August 12, 2021 @12:13AM (#28151830)
Social media isn't common in history, so it's the easiest one to pick out as an outlier.