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Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by wcoenen on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:31AM (#28126410)
Even ignoring galaxies, there's also the cosmic microwave background.

It turns out that there is a rest frame in which this background looks the same in all directions. But if you keep accelerating in one direction, the CMB coming from there will keep blueshifting: from microwave to IR, to visible, and eventually hard gamma radiation.

Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by eru on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:33AM (#28126778)
> It turns out that there is a rest frame in which this background looks the same in all directions.

I was really surprised when I heard this for the first time a while ago. Because it means that our universe does have a _preferred_ frame.

Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by chii on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:09AM (#28126985)
it's not really preferred in the sense that it's the correct one - just one which has some sentimental meaning to humans' interpretation.
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by eru on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:33AM (#28127517)
Well, 'preferred' as in 'different from all the others in a way even aliens would recognise' (ie in accordance with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_principle ).
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:35AM (#28127539)
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by eru on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @08:28AM (#28127969)
Well, it can serve as a Schelling point. But it's interesting, even without any game theory.
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by nabla9 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:35AM (#28127138)
CMB rest frame is important and special unique frame to use as a reference.

Relativity means that there are no special frames where the laws of physics are different.

Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by ithkuil on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:40AM (#28127168)
the CMB is a bit mind bending; it's related to the question "if the universe is expanding, in the past it was smaller and smaller; so where is the center?"

Good read where you'll also learn about the "The Surface of Last Screaming":

https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March03/Lineweaver/Linew...

Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by cout on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:48AM (#28127644)
I understand how there can be no center if the universe has positive curvature. But if the universe is saddle-shaped and non-infinite, surely there has to be a center?
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by effie on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:03AM (#28129000)
I think not; consider pseudosphere, there is no obvious center. Its embedding in 3D space has infinite dimensions but the object itself has finite surface area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudosphere

If you mean object with finite dimensions and negative curvature and no center, there seems to be such a thing, see Fig. n066200e:

https://encyclopediaofmath.org/wiki/Negative_curvature,_surf...

EDIT

Rozendorn's idea seems to be still an open question:

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/52851/the-geometry-of-nad...

Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus... by feoren on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:18PM (#28133811)
Rather than think "surface of a balloon inflating", think "surface of an (infinite?) rubber sheet being uniformly stretched". It does intuitively seem like if there is 0 curvature and no "center", then the universe must be infinite though ...