Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by eru on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:33AM
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> It turns out that there is a rest frame in which this background looks the same in all directions.
I was really surprised when I heard this for the first time a while ago. Because it means that our universe does have a _preferred_ frame.
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by chii on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:09AM
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it's not really preferred in the sense that it's the correct one - just one which has some sentimental meaning to humans' interpretation.
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by eru on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:33AM
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Well, 'preferred' as in 'different from all the others in a way even aliens would recognise' (ie in accordance with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_principle ).
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by TeMPOraL on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:35AM
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Aka. a Schelling point.
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by eru on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @08:28AM
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Well, it can serve as a Schelling point. But it's interesting, even without any game theory.
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by nabla9 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:35AM
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CMB rest frame is important and special unique frame to use as a reference.
Relativity means that there are no special frames where the laws of physics are different.
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by ithkuil on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:40AM
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the CMB is a bit mind bending; it's related to the question "if the universe is expanding, in the past it was smaller and smaller; so where is the center?"
Good read where you'll also learn about the "The Surface of Last Screaming":
https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March03/Lineweaver/Linew...
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by cout on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:48AM
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I understand how there can be no center if the universe has positive curvature. But if the universe is saddle-shaped and non-infinite, surely there has to be a center?
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by effie on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:03AM
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I think not; consider pseudosphere, there is no obvious center. Its embedding in 3D space has infinite dimensions but the object itself has finite surface area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudosphere
If you mean object with finite dimensions and negative curvature and no center, there seems to be such a thing, see Fig. n066200e:
https://encyclopediaofmath.org/wiki/Negative_curvature,_surf...
EDIT
Rozendorn's idea seems to be still an open question:
https://mathoverflow.net/questions/52851/the-geometry-of-nad...
Re:How far could a spaceship go if we never ran out of thrus...
by feoren on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:18PM
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Rather than think "surface of a balloon inflating", think "surface of an (infinite?) rubber sheet being uniformly stretched". It does intuitively seem like if there is 0 curvature and no "center", then the universe must be infinite though ...
It turns out that there is a rest frame in which this background looks the same in all directions. But if you keep accelerating in one direction, the CMB coming from there will keep blueshifting: from microwave to IR, to visible, and eventually hard gamma radiation.