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Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by AndrewBissell on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:33AM (#28117370)
If the vaccines are so fantastic at preventing hospitalizations and deaths, and they've been taken up by the vast majority of the elderly who are most at risk, then why are we still trying to slow the spread of an endemic respiratory virus?
Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by generj on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:40AM (#28117460)
Because COVID has many severe effects other than death?

For example long term respiratory system damage. People with long COVID have had diabetes diagnoses at a high rate. This hasn’t had the side effects of a typical respiratory virus.

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by briefcomment on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:44AM (#28117542)
Yeah, but the people who haven't been vaccinated have made a conscious choice not to. Who are we to get in the way of that?
Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by generj on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:49AM (#28117617)
There are a few cases where they haven’t chosen to - mostly people under 18 whose parents are antivax.

Or elderly people under guardianship of antivax - like my grandma being cared for by my aunt (though I doubt my grandma would have received the vaccine even if she was fully capable of making decisions, from past comments).

There’s also the fact that every cell producing the virus has the chance of making a mutation that will ravage the global poor who cannot receive vaccines because production is limited and the rich are hoarding them.

I am sympathetic to your viewpoint though. If I had a magic wand and could ensure the immunocompromised and others wouldn’t be harmed I’m OK with letting the willingly non vaccinated reap their own consequences.

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by core-utility on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:40AM (#28117459)
This is the only answer.

Every single American adult has had the opportunity to get the vaccine. Any who don't have made a personal decision and there should be no reason to continue mandated masks or lockdowns for any group (vaccinated or unvaccinated).

Children are not contracting the virus in meaningful numbers, and in even fewer numbers are having serious side effects.

The biggest pushers of mask mandates for the vaccinated are other vaccinated individuals. No unvaccinated individual I have encountered has pushed for everyone else to mask up at their behest.

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by tfehring on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:51AM (#28117666)
It's not strictly a personal decision when others will be paying for unvaccinated people's hospital bills, or potentially disability income, through insurance and taxes respectively.

19% of new US COVID cases the week of July 29 were in children [0]. Deaths and hospitalizations in children are extremely rare but medium-term side effects, including cognitive effects, appear to be relatively common [1]. It's unclear how long those effects will last and whether they'll be permanent, but the societal impact of a double-digit percentage of children experiencing noticeable long-term cognitive declines would be absolutely devastating.

[0] https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-cov...

[1] https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/HealthU/2021/05/19/...

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by generj on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:54AM (#28117700)
Children weren’t contracting the virus in meaningful numbers.

The delta variant has changed that and Louisiana had 3,000 child cases in just 4 days. The child death rate from COVID is higher than the child death rate from the flu AND many many more kids will be exposed to COVID than will be exposed to influenza.

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by graywh on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:36AM (#28117418)
the unvaccinated are filling up hospitals -- would it be ethical to kick out an unvaccinated covid patient and give priority to vaccinated patients (regardless of illness of injury)?

some people cannot get vaccinated

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by core-utility on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:41AM (#28117490)
Do you have a source for your information? Many hospitals are reporting very low ICU numbers, nowhere near capacity.
Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by jollybean on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:08AM (#28117882)
In the South in particular [1] things are picking up in bad way, and some healthcare systems are once again being burdened.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/...

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by stickfigure on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:45AM (#28117560)
If you're polling, I'll go out on a limb and say yes.

Obviously triage is more complicated than that, and acuity is always going to be the dominant factor. But if you have limited resources and have to make hard choices about who gets treatment, I don't see why vaccination status shouldn't be considered.

Re:Masks Are Back, Maybe for the Long Term by generj on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:43AM (#28117528)
Honestly at this stage if people had the opportunity to be vaccinated and didn’t I’m OK prioritizing care for those who chose to be vaccinated and are sick with non-preventable illnesses.

Triage has lots of ethical questions, this doesn’t seem to be among the most controversial to me. There are patients haranguing doctors for daring to tell them they are dying of COVID. We are exhausting our medical system to care for the uncaring.