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Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by andrepd on Saturday August 07, 2021 @05:49PM (#28102168)
I'd be sort of okay with the general idea of proving I'm not a robot, you know what really rubs me the wrong way?

It's how blatantly dishonest and disrespectful it is. Let me explain: google decides if you're human based on the data it has on you, such as your browsing profile and whether you're logged in to your Google account. Therefore it punishes you for trying to have privacy or refusing to use google services, at which point it will:

- Give you longer captchas

- Fade images in slower, something whose purpose can only possible be to annoy you for daring to refuse to submit to google's profiling, since bots don't care about that

- Even falsely claim you failed captchas even if you get them right

Fuck that!

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by innocenat on Sunday August 08, 2021 @12:11AM (#28104147)
What I hate more is US-centric of the CAPTCHA. Not only for reCAPTCHA, hCAPTCHA also failed in this regard.

I mentioned before, but once I got present with hCAPTCHA asking me to select 電車 (lit. electric train, but since all trains in big cities in Japan are electric train, 'train' in English also usually got translated as 電車). There's a picture of diesel train in the choice. Do I select it? idk.

Lately I have been presented with reCAPTCHA asking me to select トラック (lit. truck). Half of the choices are firetruck. Do I choose them? Because in Japanese (and probably most other languages too), we don't considered firetruck as 'truck'.

And the complaint that is more common: parking meter. I have literally never saw one, as it doesn't exist where I live. How do you expect me to chose the correct answers with noisy images?

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by sen on Sunday August 08, 2021 @03:45AM (#28104937)
I’ve been getting the truck one heaps lately, and constantly failing it. Fire engines, utes, Removalist vans, street sweepers, etc etc. How the hell am I supposed to know what some American programmer thinks a truck is?

It’s pervasive across the entire internet.. we’re all expected to suddenly relearn the names of everything we’ve ever learned in our life because the US has decided the rest of the world is wrong and should learn their distorted version of English or just not take part in the “world wide” web.

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by visarga on Sunday August 08, 2021 @04:12AM (#28105041)
That's what concerns me about Apple's hashing + human verification scheme - what are the values of the humans? What do they consider a positive? Nude pictures of kids are ok in some cultures and not ok in others.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by andrepd on Sunday August 08, 2021 @05:49AM (#28105473)
Related: in my country it's common for young kids (say under 6 or 7) to go to the beach naked. I always find it a bit disturbing that Americans consider it obscene, because it means they sexualise it...?
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by yibg on Sunday August 08, 2021 @08:42AM (#28106275)
Yea totally. Little boys with genitals showing in public (eg urinating) is a common thing in many parts of asia for example. No one bats an eye at it.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by skydhash on Sunday August 08, 2021 @09:07AM (#28106418)
Due to how often little boys dirty their clothes a lot of them, especially in poor neighborhoods, go naked. And yes, no one bats an eye.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by Freak_NL on Sunday August 08, 2021 @03:32AM (#28104879)
電車 always trips me up when talking about trains in Japanese. It appears to me that for some Japanese every train (including Diesel powered ones) is 電車 at this point, while others do make the distinction. The Japanese Wikipedia page mentions this shift as well.

The cultural gap is annoying with captcha's, even if you keep your preferred browser language set to English.

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by enriquto on Sunday August 08, 2021 @01:55AM (#28104514)
...not to speak of "fire hydrants" which I cannot fathom what is the purpose of these damn things. Do people hydrate themselves using fire on the US?
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by tdeck on Sunday August 08, 2021 @02:01AM (#28104539)
These are large-diameter / high pressure connections to the local water main. Firetrucks carry water, of course, but it's limited. The hydrant allows them to attach a hose and pull in additional water.

It seems that they have them in many countries, but they are often underground rather than the pillar type used in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hydrant

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by enriquto on Sunday August 08, 2021 @02:05AM (#28104560)
Thanks! I was being facetious because I actually looked what they were after a few captchas. Indeed, there are many of those in my country but they don't look at all like that, typically being attached to the walls of the buildings, or covered underground.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by agurk on Sunday August 08, 2021 @04:30AM (#28105105)
To be pedantic, and risking your country being different to what I've personally seen around the world, what you see attached to the wall of a building isn't a fire hydrant.

These are standpipes [0] which can be used to move water to parts of the the building from that external fitting. They may contain some static water or be completely dry (like a dry riser [1]) but they are not a source of water like a hydrant is.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standpipe_(firefighting)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_riser

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by tdeck on Sunday August 08, 2021 @02:08AM (#28104570)
It was an interesting question for me as well, because I never stopped to think of why I didn't see these in certain cities abroad and how they fight fires in those cities.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by hef19898 on Sunday August 08, 2021 @05:32AM (#28105365)
I do remember parking meters, but then I also remember Walkmans. Could be an issue for solving Captchas I guess.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by matheusmoreira on Saturday August 07, 2021 @05:55PM (#28102234)
Oh yes. There's nothing like doing 3 noisy slow fade captchas correctly only to be failed for unknown reasons and asked to do even more. It's like it's wondering how much free work it can get out of users before they get mad and give up.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by Swizec on Saturday August 07, 2021 @05:59PM (#28102268)
A robot would never give up.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by jjoonathan on Saturday August 07, 2021 @06:08PM (#28102331)
I bet the robots know exactly how many failures before they need to cycle IPs/cookies/accounts and when the time comes I bet they know how to do it quickly and at low cost.

Humans just have to give up and hope that whatever was behind the captcha wasn't actually important.

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by lobocinza on Sunday August 08, 2021 @04:14PM (#28109721)
Many side projects on Github that aren't updated often seems to know the thresholds for not triggering such methods but as I user I often have to pass those stupid verifications.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by OJFord on Saturday August 07, 2021 @07:29PM (#28102818)
You'd think they couldn't possibly mimic human mouse movement too, and yet I find taking a stupidly exaggerated wavy line between squares helps. Any attempt to get through quickly and efficiently seems to be deemed robotic in my experience.

Reminds me of a bug I found at (with) work last week: typing too quickly (sending auto-completion requests too quickly) locks up the entire page, nothing for it but to refresh. (It's intended to cancel previous requests since only the latest one is needed, but obviously not supposed to freeze.)

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by darkerside on Saturday August 07, 2021 @08:20PM (#28103103)
https://youtu.be/LButXcZ57pc

I think of this every time now

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by sdoering on Sunday August 08, 2021 @04:32AM (#28105115)
Thank you so much for sharing this. It was hilarious and at the same time rang so damn true (like good comedy should imho).
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by klondike_ on Sunday August 08, 2021 @04:08AM (#28105032)
If you disable Google's JavaScript the annoying fade out effect will be disabled, but it might make you do more than one as punishment
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by andrepd on Sunday August 08, 2021 @05:51AM (#28105482)
If I disable Google's js the captcha won't load at all it seems x)
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by SXX on Sunday August 08, 2021 @03:38AM (#28104913)
Yeah these fading images are certainly can only ever be used to annoy human.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by bowmessage on Saturday August 07, 2021 @09:23PM (#28103408)
> - Even falsely claim you failed captchas even if you get them right

Do you have a source for this?

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by johndough on Sunday August 08, 2021 @04:17AM (#28105056)
You can easily test this yourself. Just install the Tor Browser and visit any website with captchas. Most Tor exit node servers are semi-blacklisted, which means that a Tor user will receive multiple captcha challenges in series, even if they have been answered correctly.

If you are especially unlucky, you might even get denied entirely after solving captchas for several minutes.

Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by atom_arranger on Sunday August 08, 2021 @06:24PM (#28110706)
Can confirm. Had the same experience using a VPN. I “didn’t have anything to hide”, just wanted privacy benefits of using a VPN while browsing the web, but the CAPTCHAs made it totally impractical so I gave up on it. I guess Google got what they wanted.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by macintux on Saturday August 07, 2021 @09:44PM (#28103543)
I've had Captcha insist that I have to misidentify a mailbox as a parking meter before it would let me proceed.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by bombela on Saturday August 07, 2021 @11:46PM (#28104047)
I experienced it few times too. With the slower and slower fading pictures. And the button submit that stays active but doesn't work.
Re:Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way a... by jquery on Saturday August 07, 2021 @09:36PM (#28103495)
I’ve experienced the same thing. I can think of a semi-charitable possible explanation but after this much time I must conclude it’s on purpose.