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Re:World to hit temperature tipping point 10 years faster th... by cinntaile on Saturday August 07, 2021 @01:12PM (#28100152)
It still feels like I have to read between the lines.

What are you trying to say when you claim that (climate) models produce what you are comfortable with?

Re:World to hit temperature tipping point 10 years faster th... by the-dude on Saturday August 07, 2021 @01:59PM (#28100514)
When models don't produce what one is comfortable with, it gets tweaked until it does.
Re:World to hit temperature tipping point 10 years faster th... by cinntaile on Saturday August 07, 2021 @04:32PM (#28101578)
Do you think this is the case here? That the models have been tweaked for 50+ years to claim something that is not based on what actually happens?
Re:World to hit temperature tipping point 10 years faster th... by the-dude on Sunday August 08, 2021 @03:50AM (#28104952)
> Do you think this is the case here?

No reason to believe these models are different ( it is not about the models, it is about the people building them ).

> that is not based on what actually happens?

That is not what I said. These models are used to say things about the future, so by definition they are an assumption about what actually happens.

I will try to explain my point by a fictitious example :

Researcher A is building model for global temperature supposedly correlated with compound X. Model shows that within 100 yrs the temperature will plateua and then drop off to pre-industrial levels.

The model will be considered faulty and will be tweaked until it does feel comfortable : that is, aligns with one's assumptions.

Models are crystalizations of one's assumptions, there is no truth.

Re:World to hit temperature tipping point 10 years faster th... by cinntaile on Monday August 09, 2021 @07:26AM (#28115349)
Of course you use the intuition of experts within that field when building models, that's a given. I don't see what is wrong with that, that's how all models are built. But what is it that you're trying to say about climate models? State your own assumptions please, I don't want to keep playing this guessing game.