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Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by version_five on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:11PM (#28094734)
I don't have the data but given the salaries I assume FAANG software eng is now the target of people that used to go for ibanking/MBB consulting, basically high achievers motivated by achievement in the eyes of others. If that's true, it's going to be a massive demographic shift from the CS folks I went to school with in the late 90s. Based on some of the discussions I see, I think this has already happened in places.
Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by marcodiego on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:31PM (#28094851)
I've this feeling too. The people on CS today is way more "normal" than even in the 90's. But there's a shift in salaries: the biggest bite now goes for managers and developers are mostly seen as replaceable lower value workers. True nerds don't feel at home in the marketplace anymore.
Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by taneq on Saturday August 07, 2021 @12:58AM (#28095831)
That's why we start our own companies, or join small startups.
Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by sascha_sl on Saturday August 07, 2021 @08:13AM (#28098013)
I mean, you can also be a """true nerd""" and not really be too interested in competition and hard hitting jobs.

I found a really nice spot working in a developer enablement / platform engineering role. You can continue to be condescending to average developers and then steer them in the right direction!

Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by neilv on Saturday August 07, 2021 @01:18AM (#28095929)
Before software development was the career the rich kids went to, instead of, say, Wall Street, I don't recall us computer nerds being called "high achievers".

I think it helps to think of "high achiever" as PR spin for the go-to status/prestige careers for children from affluent and connected families. Whatever that is at the time.

If we wanted to call someone in software a "high achiever", I suppose it could be used to describe someone who breaks the class barrier, to get the affluent go-to status career. Despite whatever affluence-biased gatekeeping the affluent established once they took it over.

Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by vineyardmike on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:35PM (#28094866)
As a recent graduate of a high-ranked uni, this is somewhat true, but i think CS pulls some from IBanking but also from law, general engr'ing, and medicine. I and many others i know entered school thinking about medicine.

While many people in CS that go to FAANG, et. al are high-achievers, most are the cohort of those people interested in science and technical work more than social focused work. Much bigger overlap with pre-med defectors. Also we had plenty of "anti-social" kids, but interestingly they achieved less and were more likely to work at a small regional company after graduating than a SV tech firm.

Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by 908B64B197 on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:17PM (#28094778)
I don't think that kind of person would last long as a dev, or get promoted very much.
Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by vineyardmike on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:30PM (#28094843)
I think its exactly the people that get promoted disproportionately to the rest. That's their thing...
Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by mastazi on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:27PM (#28094827)
EDIT: I probably misinterpreted your point, I think you refer to "people that used to go for ibanking/MBB consulting, basically high achievers motivated by achievement in the eyes of others"

Why? Are you saying that person with good social skills can't work as a dev? I don't see the connection.

Re:Richard Stallman and the History of Free Software and Ope... by 908B64B197 on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:43PM (#28094913)
I've heard guys say "My goal is to stop coding after two years in the industry".

It's tough to stay motivated and learn constantly when you don't like engineering and coding...