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Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by roenxi on Friday August 06, 2021 @07:06AM (#28085528)
There is a complicated legal and political process because there are a lot of things which are criminal that really shouldn't be. Historically, the law has been used to come down hard on people who:

* Say bad things about the king.

* Said good things about the king.

* Are homosexual and attempting to live their life.

* Are black and attempting to live their life.

* Are foreign, regardless of activity.

* Are female and attempting to own property.

* Are local but not the right type of local.

* The actual person is OK but they're trying to help the Jews.

* Own the wrong book.

* Worship the wrong god.

And in hindsight it is generally agreed that those laws were poorly thought out. Giving the police tools to enforce 100% compliance with the law is by no means a sane thing to do. And if that is the plan it would behove us to make sure the law is good first. Which it obviously isn't there are gaping holes in every legal system.

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Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by anoonmoose on Friday August 06, 2021 @08:10AM (#28086017)
I'll gladly wager $500 donated to the charity of the winner's choice that your prediction here:

>I predict that in 5-10 years in USA it would become obligatory to participate in "pride parades". People who avoid them would be put on "the list".

is not accurate. We can do it on Longbets.org. I'll give you the full ten year window.

Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by ptato on Friday August 06, 2021 @07:49AM (#28085839)
Nobody is forcing people to change their gender or brainwashing children with homosexual propaganda. You should examine your biases.
Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by s0q on Friday August 06, 2021 @08:08AM (#28086010)
Maybe you should read the news on the other side of the fence. In the UK, LGBT training is a compulsory class for children. Many Muslim families are pulling their children out of school because they're not being given the choice to withdraw their children from classes where opinions about sexuality are being presented as fact in contrary to the principles they want to raise their child with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48294017

Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by wizzwizz4 on Friday August 06, 2021 @10:19AM (#28087465)
> In the UK, LGBT training is a compulsory class for children.

This is way overhyped. It's barely more than “gay people exist, don't bully them” most places. One lesson in PSHE class – maybe two or three, if you get lucky and your teachers decide to teach you about binary trans people too, or if sexuality is mentioned in the Equality Act lesson (which mostly focuses on disability and maternity leave).

> opinions about sexuality are being presented as fact

By this logic, we should ban other children from talking about their religions in schools; they're likely to say things like “Jesus is God” or “God isn't real”. It's unlikely a religious child would get particularly confused with a teacher exposing them to different views on morality, given how much they're already exposed to that.

Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by bgeeek on Friday August 06, 2021 @08:27AM (#28086187)
Many? You sure about that? Also, "opinions about sexuality are being presented as fact in contrary to the principles they want to raise their child with". How do you think things like that help? We want a tolerant and inclusive society, thank-you. I know gay Muslims in the UK. Can you imagine what life is like for them?
Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by ptato on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:27PM (#28089394)
What does "LGBT training" mean? What I gather is that what they are teaching kids is, in essence, "be kind to each other". Do these families that are protesting not have the same biases against gay people that the person I originally responded to has?
Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by gunfighthacksaw on Friday August 06, 2021 @08:04AM (#28085963)
I’ve seen some media in the last few years that definitely qualifies as LGBT propaganda and would therefore be banned under Russian (and other countries’) laws.

The most recent I can think of is that creepy Blues Clues episode… why do prepubescent children need to know about Pride and any sexuality at all?

The reasonable middle to me is to introduce LGBT issues in sex-ed when kids are going through puberty and treat it with decorum. You can punish homo/transphobia when it occurs, not try to program it out of literal toddlers with a creepy song about families marching.

Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by angus-prune on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:36AM (#28086955)
I assume you'd also be against teaching children about the existence of things like marriage prior to starting sex-ed as teenagers.
Re:On Apple’s “Expanded Protections for Children” – A Person... by gunfighthacksaw on Friday August 06, 2021 @10:59AM (#28088056)
I never learned about marriage in school, I learned about it from my parents since it is a global social norm. I would teach them about false equivalence in school however.

Anyway the issue isn’t with kids learning about LGBT, it’s HOW they learn about it. I wouldn’t promote nightclubbing or pickup artistry to my kids. I do also have issues with how aspects of mainstream ‘straight culture’ are pushed to kids as well.

For example, drag is an inherently adult form of entertainment now being pushed to kids. Grown men throwing money at drag kids makes my stomach turn. Two moms or dads taking their kid to play in the park does not.