Re:Anonymous targets Norway killer’s manifesto
by rubashov on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @01:26PM
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> The Englishman in 1700 saw the Spaniard as being just as foreign as a Swede sees a Muslim today
Um, no. The reconquista and various crusades were pan-european wars against muslims way before 1700. Englishmen died driving the Moors from Spain. There has definitely long been a European identity.
Re:Anonymous targets Norway killer’s manifesto
by rweba on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @01:48PM
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(1) England and Spain were at war around that time (The Spanish Armada sailed in 1588 so maybe change the date to 1600).
(2) England was protestant, Spain was Catholic.
(3) Because of the language difference probably most English couldn't communicate with most Spanish.
I am also taking into account the average modern Swede is probably fairly well educated and relatively liberal.
Of course I may have pushed things a bit to make a rhetorical point ;-)
Re:Anonymous targets Norway killer’s manifesto
by trustmeimadr on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @02:24PM
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On3. Educated people would have communicated effectively in Latin.
My thought is how come Europe managed to have CENTURIES of warfare (100 years war, 30 years, LOTS of civil wars, World War I, World War I and LOTS more) and most of these conflict were purely intra-Europeans? The Englishman in 1700 saw the Spaniard as being just as foreign as a Swede sees a Muslim today - probably more so if the Muslim lives in Sweden and speaks Swedish.
My point is just that if immigrants didn't exist people would still find something to fight over so this whole "immigrants are the very cause of social conflict" logic seems very dubious to me.